Dawnguard and Serana

Justice knight · Post by **Justice knight** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:18 am

Uh Harkon is her dad.

thamoirthegreat · Post by **thamoirthegreat** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:56 pm

If anyone cares I tried to marry her when she was cured of vampirism. Same results :/

Yaije · Post by **Yaije** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:27 pm

Justice knight wrote:Uh Harkon is her dad.

And?

D0VAHK11N · Post by **D0VAHK11N** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:48 pm

Yaije wrote:
Justice knight wrote:Uh Harkon is her dad.

And?

That would be incest. Not to mention her and her father don't really get along and theres the fact that she was locked a way for at least a couple hundred years.

Justice knight · Post by **Justice knight** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:56 pm

^This.
I just didn't know how to word it.

Yaije · Post by **Yaije** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:08 pm

eh, they live forever and probably lack the ability to reproduce normally while also basically existing on their own landmass far from "civilization".

Would it really matter to devout followers of a lord of rape, subjugation, and domination the intricacies of incest or personal feelings between individuals?

D0VAHK11N · Post by **D0VAHK11N** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:47 pm

Yes! just because they are immortal undead doesn't mean they aren't civilized. If they were uncivilized, they wouldn't have the set political structure that Garan Merthi is always mentioning.

Br3admax · Post by **Br3admax** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:50 pm

I thought they couldn't have children until I remembered the Gray Prince, if males can still reproduce why can't females. Plus they were humans once I doubt her dad truly "had" her.

Gideon Dragontongue · Post by **Gideon Dragontongue** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:46 pm

From what I've read, I'm fairly certain Serana was already born when she and her parents were transformed into vampires.

Justice knight wrote:
Gideon Dragontongue wrote:I wouldn't say that. I think it's more along the lines of she'd be happy to love you, but she isn't really interested in formal matrimony.
Friends with benefits much?

Plus the equal: Friends with Children.

Yaije · Post by **Yaije** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:54 pm

D0VAHK11N wrote:Yes! just because they are immortal undead doesn't mean they aren't civilized. If they were uncivilized, they wouldn't have the set political structure that Garan Merthi is always mentioning.

I'm not saying they aren't civilized. I'm saying they have a different idea of "civil" where it's common place to violently butcher one another on a whim and eat people. They kill and torment like the people elsewhere in Skyrim drink mead and whine about the war. I'm pretty sure they don't share the same outlook on most things that mortal people do, so I don't expect them to conform to what I've become accustomed to thinking.

Loosely in the words of the great Alucard: "[&@%!] <they> eat people!!" *slam*

They can do whatever they want

D0VAHK11N · Post by **D0VAHK11N** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:47 pm

Also as you travel with Serana asking about her family, she will say that her father became obsessed with the prophecy and that he lost sight of everything else.

On a side somewhat unrelated note: It just dawned on me that Volkihar vampires apparently age. Because while you are exploring the castle together (during the quest that leads you to the courtyard) she mentions she used to explore there when she was young and noted that the a little vampire girl kept the skeevers away. Yet she is no longer a little kid and appears in her 20s. So do the Vampires continue to age a certain number of years after turning then stop?

Velvet LeChance · Post by **Velvet LeChance** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:55 pm

D0VAHK11N wrote:Also as you travel with Serana asking about her family, she will say that her father became obsessed with the prophecy and that he lost sight of everything else.

On a side somewhat unrelated note: It just dawned on me that Volkihar vampires apparently age. Because while you are exploring the castle together (during the quest that leads you to the courtyard) she mentions she used to explore there when she was young and noted that the a little vampire girl kept the skeevers away. Yet she is no longer a little kid and appears in her 20s. So do the Vampires continue to age a certain number of years after turning then stop?

I always thought they aged just at a slower rate than mortals. The wiki page discussion says she at least 4208 years old.

D0VAHK11N · Post by **D0VAHK11N** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:13 pm

When I said she was in her 20s I meant appearance wise not age wise. But I thought that Vampires just didn't age especially since Babette is still a little girl. And I am pretty sure she mentions that she will be that way forever but I may be mistaken.

thamoirthegreat · Post by **thamoirthegreat** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:14 pm

Serana and Babette are not the same type of vampires though.

Ripcage · Post by **Ripcage** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:07 pm

thamoirthegreat wrote:Serana and Babette are not the same type of vampires though.

A vampire is a vampire in TES, its the clans and stuff that are different.

~~I think...~~

Velvet LeChance · Post by **Velvet LeChance** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:25 pm

Maybe Serana was turned into a vampire at an older age, say 20. She would've hardly undergone Molag Bals ritual at 10 years of age.

I_am_one · Post by **I_am_one** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:59 pm

When Serena mentioned a little vampire girl, I thought she meant someone who wasn't her...

Derp53 · Post by **Derp53** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:02 am

lets not forget the ceremony itself, apparently it was degrading, then she said her whole family did it, which would also include harkon......

Gideon Dragontongue · Post by **Gideon Dragontongue** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:22 am

Right, which, when cross-referenced with lore, indicates they were probably all raped in some form or another by Molag Bal.

Derp53 · Post by **Derp53** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:24 am

Gideon Dragontongue wrote:Right, which, when cross-referenced with lore, indicates they were probably all raped in some form or another by Molag Bal.

pretty much and i shudder at the thought

Velvet LeChance · Post by **Velvet LeChance** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:28 am

Gideon Dragontongue wrote:Right, which, when cross-referenced with lore, indicates they were probably all raped in some form or another by Molag Bal.

And that's why I think she was about 20 when she was turned into a vampire. When she is talking about a young vampire girl she could easily be talking about her mental age, I'm sure when you've lived 4000 years being 20 seems a life time ago (Or several lifetimes in Serana's case.)

talk page · Post by **legoless** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:29 am

derp53 wrote:
Gideon Dragontongue wrote:Right, which, when cross-referenced with lore, indicates they were probably all raped in some form or another by Molag Bal.
pretty much and i shudder at the thought

Giggity.

Ripcage · Post by **Ripcage** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:34 am

In other words:

derp53 wrote:lets not forget the ceremony itself, apparently it was(2) degrading, then she said her whole family did it, which would also include Harkon(1)......

Gideon Dragontongue wrote:Right, which, when cross-referenced with lore, indicates they were probably all raped(3) in some form or another by Molag Bal.(4)

I feel sorry for Molag... Unless, of course, he likes hairy Nords. Bleh...

Velvet LeChance · Post by **Velvet LeChance** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:38 am

It's not rape if you want it...

Derp53 · Post by **Derp53** » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:39 am

Velvet LeChance wrote:It's not rape if you want it...

dammit mental images man

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