Dragon shouts in future games.

[Anonymous98223]

I like the idea. And half of the races do seem to have some form of special power.

Bosmer: The Great Hunt
Altmer: The Old Way (technically its just an ancient way of using magic, but then so is the Thu'um)
Redguard: You already mentioned
Nords: Thu'um, already been explored
Khajiit: Have the Moon sugar, like you said, they could get some power from this
and that's all I can think of, but Beth. could always create new lore for the other races.

[philfredobob]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Im Afraid i have to say i dont like the idea

[legoless]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Becoming the HoonDing might be cool for some kind of spin-off game. It would force you to use bladed weapons, which wouldn't sit well with Bethesda's "be anyone, do anything" motto for the main series. Although, personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice a few lousy weapon types for the satisfaction of slicing through Thalmor armies in TES: VI.

[Br3admax]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Im Afraid i have to say i dont like the idea

Somebody doesn't like being power incarnate. I get you hate "the Hero of the Scrolls" factor, but why do you hate raw power?

[Minor Edits]

I like it, Pilaf; I thought of Sword-Singing as soon as I saw this thread. Though I don't particularly like the idea of going to Hammerfell. Did enough desert-roaming in New Vegas.

Even if they didn't keep some fourth combat option equivalent to shouts, they can still improve magic, archery, and basic combat to retain Skyrim's more dynamic fighting. Let really good archers stand out more, like firing faster and more accurately, or maybe firing two arrows at once. Invent new uses for basic magic, or return old uses to us (you know what I'm talking about). They can always improve unarmed combat, make better use of throwing daggers and spear weapons, and/or improve sword dueling mechanics. They can also do a lot more to improve environmental warfare; a lot of difficult combat scenarios could be turned into quasi-puzzles in that fashion. Players could be more acrobatic and maneuverable. Underwater combat is also something they haven't touched on. And, of course, add on to the lore to give some cultures unheard-of power. I'd like to see a Wild Hunt, with the Bosmers morphing into various beasts. Plenty of options.

I've been thinking of Battle Cry as a sort of primitive, untrained shout since I first heard about Dragon Shouts. It's not absurd to think that they could find a way for Nords, and possibly other races, to unlock maybe one or two simple shouts in future games, though it should take quite a bit of time/effort to do so.

[Avron the S'wit]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Isn't that sort of what each game does already, though, introducing the PC as hero to a particular set of the lore? (Well, particularly the last three, I suppose.) Or do you mean just as a sort of racial perk or special power as a race? I still think that's a bit much and not necessarily lore appropriate, for reasons I already mentioned above. And we do have lesser powers already that make more sense in day to day application.

Still, a neat idea on your part, I should say!

[Br3admax]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Isn't that sort of what each game does already, though, introducing the PC as hero to a particular set of the lore? (Well, particularly the last three, I suppose.) Or do you mean just as a sort of racial perk or special power as a race? I still think that's a bit much and not necessarily lore appropriate, for reasons I already mentioned above. And we do have lesser powers already that make more sense in day to day application.

Still, a neat idea on your part, I should say!

The problem us that those lesser powers sucked, in a major way; they've got nothing on shouting. What lesser power lets me rip your health, your magicka, and your stamina, your vitality away from you. What lesser power gave me your soul. None, there are none. Shouts just make even the berserker warrior into a lore-friendly and liked battlemage and vessel of power.

[Avron the S'wit]

True, but dragons shouts in non-dragonborn characters is far fetched, since it takes years and years to learn, like I pointed out. So it would certainly be "more exciting," but much less plausible! I can see a Dunmeri ancestral ghost; I can't see someone who magically gets interrupted from study of the thu'um, which takes decades, and knows enough to utter multiple words of great power. No way.

I'm so boring. I know. I tend to beat people up the old fashioned way...with my sword.

[Br3admax]

I know, I'm just saying as long as screaming like a psychopath isn't the way to do it, the whole "powerful hero" thing could work. But it can't come from your hands, because then you are a mage. I think eye's should be next.

[Avron the S'wit]

I think you're always a powerful hero, really, when you think about it. It's just how are we valuing or basing power? Surely the Nerevarine had great political power, whereas the Dragonborn had awesome magical power. The cool thing about TES is it's open ended enough for you to be whoever you want to be...and you don't always have to be super powerful/overpowered. Part of the charm is developing into that mighty warrior, I say.

[Br3admax]

The fans will never let that kind of power go. Because Skyrim has gone main steam even dlc problems have exploded. This makes me think that true Roleplayers, hard core fans like the people here, are now the minority. They need there ragdoll effect, and shield bashing finishing moves. I doubt that these fans will want something like shouts gone.

[Hissien]

They will probably be replaced by lesser powers... I never really use shouts much anyway so it isnt game changing to me.

[Minor Edits]

The fans will never let that kind of power go. Because Skyrim has gone main steam even dlc problems have exploded. This makes me think that true Roleplayers, hard core fans like the people here, are now the minority. They need there ragdoll effect, and shield bashing finishing moves. I doubt that these fans will want something like shouts gone.

Now? The "hardcore" fans have been the minority since Morrowind was introduced to console players, at the latest. Not trying to bash anyone; I'm a console who got into the series with Morrowind. It's just that it opened it up the series to a wider range of mostly casual players.

[Mattbott]

does no one think that a game like skyrim will bring new 'hardcore' players into the fold?

when i played d&d for the first time, it was because there was sod all else to do with my over active imagination, and that sort of game was reserved mainly for the most nerdy of imaginations cos you were essentially sat round a table with funny dice and bits of paper. It was also cheap and easy to get into if you had that sort of mind

But now Computer games, tv shows and movies, are now being made by people like me (and have been for the last decade or two) who played D&D read LOTR and watched star wars when they were X years old. So the RPG mentality is very much main stream now so it is actually very difficult for the kids growing up today to avoid thinking in RPG terms

So I find it strange when anyone talks about the great cultural loss to the hardcore fan with the dumbing down/more accessibility etc. This society we inhabit IS the world of the hardcore gamer

/rant

[the Savage Hippie]

What makes you think we'll be playing as a Dragonborn in TES VI?

And yes I know that regular people can learn it, too, but it takes them years just to master a single word.

My thoughts too. It is it not only the Dragonborn who can use these shouts? I don't think they will be included in any future games.

[Wolfie]

I think they wil, someone will find a "new method" to lear shouts fast like the dragon borns.

[philfredobob]

Somebody doesn't like being power incarnate. I get you hate "the Hero of the Scrolls" factor, but why do you hate raw power?

Hate raw power ?
of course not ... i just dont like the idea of having a type of ability for our characters in each game ... makes my character feel too .. .''special''

The fans will never let that kind of power go. Because Skyrim has gone main steam even dlc problems have exploded. This makes me think that true Roleplayers, hard core fans like the people here, are now the minority. They need there ragdoll effect, and shield bashing finishing moves. I doubt that these fans will want something like shouts gone.

I like dragon shouts, but i am very willing to let them go
what qualifies as a hardcore fan ? i have been playing the series since morrowind , but i dont roleplay very often, am i a hardcore fan? or am i one the ''other'' fans ?

[Dirty Spaceman]

I think even the "casual" fans will be okay with the absence of shouts, assuming Bethesda will find some new gimmick relating to the lore of the next game.

[Br3admax]

Somebody doesn't like being power incarnate. I get you hate "the Hero of the Scrolls" factor, but why do you hate raw power?

Hate raw power ?
of course not ... i just dont like the idea of having a type of ability for our characters in each game ... makes my character feel too .. .''special''

The fans will never let that kind of power go. Because Skyrim has gone main steam even dlc problems have exploded. This makes me think that true Roleplayers, hard core fans like the people here, are now the minority. They need there ragdoll effect, and shield bashing finishing moves. I doubt that these fans will want something like shouts gone.

I like dragon shouts, but i am very willing to let them go
what qualifies as a hardcore fan ? i have been playing the series since morrowind , but i dont roleplay very often, am i a hardcore fan? or am i one the ''other'' fans ?

Your hardcore, I'm talking about the people who play Skyrim once, just because they like making people totally esplode. Or the people who buy Dawnguard because crossbows remind them of their M4A1 on Call of Duty.

[Avron the S'wit]

That's kind of silly, though. Games are made to appeal to a wide range of players, and Skyrim really hit the nail on the head with that. It's awesome enough that I enjoy it as a TES fan and love it as a casual gamer. The same is true with a lot of things in the series. The TES games are nice because they allow you to get as involved as you want, whether it's deep into the universe or just a little.

So, "hardcore" is really kind of odd. Besides, I see things differently than other hardcore fans all the time, but that's fine by me.

[Br3admax]

All of that is true, but I know people who have only done the MQ, and have never played again. "(My real name) that game you recommended only lasted 5 hours." That is not hardcore, or even casual.

[Avron the S'wit]

Again, sandbox games allow you to do what you want to whatever extent you want - that's kind of the appeal. Some people are linear and just want to do the MQ. I wouldn't bother worrying about them. After all, I put thousands of hours in Oblivion...most just walking around the towns or riding my horse back and forth between my residences.

[Br3admax]

Yeah, but even I have played the story of CoD more than once. If you are going to do that, just rent a game, don't buy it.

[Pilaf The Defiler]

So nobody likes my idea?

About re using the mechanic but changing the lore to match other provinces? Because I really like the special moves idea, just not re-using the Dragonborn thing. It would be forced at best. It fit in Skyrim, but not anywhere else.

Becoming the HoonDing might be cool for some kind of spin-off game. It would force you to use bladed weapons, which wouldn't sit well with Bethesda's "be anyone, do anything" motto for the main series. Although, personally, I'd be willing to sacrifice a few lousy weapon types for the satisfaction of slicing through Thalmor armies in TES: VI.

Apparently your imagination is more limited than mine, because you think it has to literally be a sword.

Why couldn't the sword be a hammer or bow? Or a spell amplifier? Or a tunnel of wind that allows one to teleport? Or the charisma to rally the troops and get the girl?

[Br3admax]

Because all you need is chopped wood to get the girl.