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I would have to agree.POMC S117 wrote:I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.
Damn it. You're richer than us (per median and average income), more progressive than us, safer than us, and more sensible than us...and now (soon to be) more fun than us.Eltee wrote:Actually, House of Wolf, that matter is currently being seen to by the Supreme Court of Canada. There's a town in BC called Bountiful where a bunch of CLDS folks are practising it.
I actually have no problem with polyamorous marriage, as opposed to polygamy in the traditional sense.
#1 Yes it dose, but do those bennfits need to be a right? do you need to have this contract to be happy with the other person? is there no other reason for marriage?Marriage provides benefits to couples who seek to enter into a major social contract with each other, promising to uphold their responsibilities within said contract.
And what are you talking about, with illegality? Heteros get married for money all of the time, and it's viewed as essentially legal to do so (research "Kim Kardashian").
It's not an insult if it's true.
And no, dingleberry, I was pointing-out that religion has nothing to do with marriage any longer, in all legal sense.
Yes becuse right now churches can say no, but chruches HAVE to marry other things even if they dont agree with it right now, you turn someone down you get ilegal trouble in many cases,Legalizing gay marriage
DOES NOT
force any church or pastor to perform the ceremony. Heck, plenty of hetero couples have ceremonies at town hall nowadays.
Justice knight wrote:Oh and listen to Br3ad he speaks wisdom.
It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.Musicman247 wrote:I would have to agree.POMC S117 wrote:I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.
I don't think the problem is with the threads themselves, but with people taking the arguments personally.
you are aware when you say that "it goes against our beliefs", most of us don't really think gay marriage is wrong, for it to have benefits it needs to be coded under marriage which is a legal contract as House of the wolf already said, and marriage is a right, if you got the benefits from marriage by having two people say they love each other then everyone would be doing that just for the benefits which would harm the systemWolfie wrote:#1 Yes it dose, but do those bennfits need to be a right? do you need to have this contract to be happy with the other person? is there no other reason for marriage?Marriage provides benefits to couples who seek to enter into a major social contract with each other, promising to uphold their responsibilities within said contract.
And what are you talking about, with illegality? Heteros get married for money all of the time, and it's viewed as essentially legal to do so (research "Kim Kardashian").
It's not an insult if it's true.
And no, dingleberry, I was pointing-out that religion has nothing to do with marriage any longer, in all legal sense.
#3 wow once again you have to insult, can you please try not to do that? you broke the rules twice already. Go take a break breath in and breath out, if this keeps up your going to get in trouble and I DONT want that
#4 I disagree with that, there is no "fact" on that anywhere, but my point was more of churches do marriages more then any other place, we would be forced to marry two gays which goes against our beliefs
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Oh this is rich let me guess, your and ONLY your side can define what marrige is and THATS the right one?
Wolfie, yes. I don't think you quite understand what marriage actually is, and that's where this entire disconnect centers.
I've alredy said I dont mind if they make something the same but dont make it our marrige systemyou are aware when you say that "it goes against our beliefs", most of us don't really think gay marriage is wrong, for it to have benefits it needs to be coded under marriage which is a legal contract as House of the wolf already said, and marriage is a right, if you got the benefits from marriage by having two people say they love each other then everyone would be doing that just for the benefits which would harm our the system
Dragons!POMC S117 wrote:It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.Musicman247 wrote:I would have to agree.POMC S117 wrote:I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.
I don't think the problem is with the threads themselves, but with people taking the arguments personally.
That's nice. You can keep those beliefs. You just cannot deny others the right to their pursuit of 'equality' and happiness simply because they don't fall in line with what you believe.Wolfie wrote:Oh this is rich let me guess, your and ONLY your side can define what marrige is and THATS the right one?
Wolfie, yes. I don't think you quite understand what marriage actually is, and that's where this entire disconnect centers.
To me marriage was made BY GOD to be between a man and women
would you say thats wrong? I cant have my beliefs? I have to give that up?
the very idea of a man and a man marrying goes against what God says, he makes it clear that a marriage is man and women, not a man and a man
so to my beliefs gays cant marry because marriage is not FOR a man and a man
As you said, you must follow the laws of the land before God. Marriage is the law of the land. You can't, as you said, pick and choose. Here are some examples of marriage benefits:Wolfie wrote:
would you say thats wrong? I cant have my beliefs? I have to give that up?
So yes Wolfie, I DO disagree with your half-view on the definition of marriage.joint parenting;
joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
and more....
Justice knight wrote:Oh and listen to Br3ad he speaks wisdom.
At least they don't lie to themselves that a debate is anything more than a fight.House of the Wolf wrote:Dragons!POMC S117 wrote:
It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.
POMC S117 wrote:At least they don't lie to themselves that a debate is anything more than a fight.House of the Wolf wrote:Dragons!POMC S117 wrote:
It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.
Leviticus 18:22 wrote:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: It is abomination
So the Christian God doesn't exactly smile upon gays.Leviticus 20:13 wrote:If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
HatofMadness wrote:To protect the forums from devastation.
To unite all members within our nation.
To denounce the evils of truth and love.
Until our post count reaches the stars above.
R'Zahr wrote:Excuse me then, God may not hate them for being gay. Although the KJV Bible states:Leviticus 18:22 wrote:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: It is abominationSo the Christian God doesn't exactly smile upon gays.Leviticus 20:13 wrote:If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: They shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
spot.colorado.edu/~huemer/biblequotes.htmLeviticus 20:9 If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.
20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.
Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.
Exodus 35:2 For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.
