Dawnguard.

[SajuukKhar]

I didn't suggest otherwise.They will be annexed to current skill/perk trees but they will come with their own perks which need skill points which in turn need levels.

Edit :or a training regiment (faction or otherwise) that gives out points as you complete each level.

I would suspect that if Bethesda were smart they would find a way to edit prexisting perks to affect the new weapons so people dont need new levels.

[House of the Wolf]

Just as in the base game, you can either be a werewolf or a vampire, but you can't be both. In either case, you earn new perks by engaging in the appropriate beastly activities. By killing foes with your powers, you can continue to learn new vampire or werewolf skills. This approach means that all players can see what these forms offer, despite the fact that gaining standard perks might be difficult (or impossible) for high level characters.

I am half-asleep and my eyes are burning.
Can someone tell my retarded brain if this means that, even if we're at lvl.80, we can still gain the perks for either beast separately from the standard tree?

[SajuukKhar]

I am half-asleep and my eyes are burning.
Can someone tell my retarded brain if this means that, even if we're at lvl.80, we can still gain the perks for either beast separately from the standard tree?

That is what is implied.

[House of the Wolf]

It's not like I'm overly affected right now; I'm lvl.43, and I've used the perks (so far) that I really care to use with 3 points to spare. I just wanted to know if I'd have to worry about overhead if I started placing them elsewhere. I might just wait til the damn DLC comes out to really touch the game, again, though.

[Mefris Elmek]

I would suspect that if Bethesda were smart they would find a way to edit prexisting perks to affect the new weapons so people dont need new levels.

Well,the base perk of every perk tree is for every weapon in that class so there we have no problem but if we talk about the rest then we do have one.In the two-handed section all the weapons have their own "branch" which cannot be modified to cater to,for example,spears,so a new branch is needed.

With the crossbow things are easier because most (if not all) of the perks could work for it as well but I think it wouldn't do it justice.Thats the reason I think Beth will give crossbows a branch for themselves and offer either "do and get a reward"(Angi style) or "do and get a reward"(through levelling up) as a way to get the points for them.

Edit:for spelling errors

[House of the Wolf]

Game Informer Leak
Read the link. I provided it above, but I'll provide it here, too.

It says that crossbows will share the Archery skill tree.

[Mefris Elmek]

Game Informer Leak
Read the link. I provided it above, but I'll provide it here, too.

It says that crossbows will share the Archery skill tree.

Damn it.Oh well.

[SajuukKhar]

I am glad they are adding in new dragon types.

Dragons need a complete overhaul to make them deadlier.

[House of the Wolf]

I just hope they don't nerf those of us PS3 users...

[SajuukKhar]

I just hope they don't nerf those of us PS3 users...

I assume the beta is to work out bugs...... but the terrible design of the Ps3's architecture cant really be fixed by Bethesda.

[Redguard_Master]

I like this news, it makes me happy. as long as the other bugged stuff annoying me is fixed soon.

[DikaSmausha]

Game Informer is legit, which means all above is real! I cant wait for this DLC!

[Mefris Elmek]

also according to people on the Bethesda forums some water combat files were found also

Hm thats very interesting I wouldn't mind a link to the discussion.

maybe those are not arrows on his back in the new pic. maybe they are bolts. some people realy want crossbows in the game.

I'm 110% sure those are arrows.Anyway,they wouldn't spend image space on something so irrelevant as crossbows.
If it really is something vampire/falmer related it's the perfect time to bring back crossbows and considering we already know the files are there they wouldn't have to put bolts in the picture.

A few things I think would also be included in the DLC are:
Werewolf skill tree.
Possibly Vampire skill tree.
Crossbow/Spear skill trees or the altering of Archery and Two Handed to accommodate both new weapon types.
A level cap raise to 91 or 101.

I don't know, BUT, I think there will be more shouts.

Thats very plausible because they already have shouts ingame they could add to our repertoire.
At least my speculation was not far from the truth^

I just hope they don't nerf those of us PS3 users...

You and me both.

but the terrible design of the Ps3's architecture cant really be fixed by Bethesda.

The PS3 power has been shown countless times.Till this day the only games that are a bug fest and that work poorly on this platform are Beth games.

[SajuukKhar]

The PS3 power has been shown countless times.Till this day the only games that are a bug fest and that work poorly on this platform are Beth games.

Tell that to the number of video game devs who have complained about working on it.

The Ps3 has power yes, but it is so mired in terribly architecture most games never use it fully.

The Ps3 is so poorly designed even Gabe Newell commented on how bad it is.

[Mefris Elmek]

Tell that to the number of video game devs who have complained about working on it.

The Ps3 has power yes, but it is so mired in terribly architecture most games never use it fully.

It has a bad set of RAMs and the code itself is very hard to programme for but thats also the thing that stoped (limited) piracy (which is a plague on the Xbox and PC)

The Ps3 is so poorly designed even Gabe Newell commented on how bad it is.

And we all know what happened afterwards

[shu]

If the information is true, thats awesome, especially the ability to change your face

What is this about?

[SajuukKhar]

It has a bad set of RAMs and the code itself is very hard to programme for but thats also the thing that stoped (limited) piracy (which is a plague on the Xbox and PC)

Xbox piracy really isn't that bad, and PC piracy is mostly caused by the fact they put anti-piracy devices in their games.

Ironic, they very devices they use to try to stop piracy are what causes most piracy....... and despite being told that by the Pc community game companies still dont get it.

And we all know what happened afterwards

Yeah sony pulled its head out of its ass and is letting Valve relase DLC for free, doesnt mean Gabe doesnt still think it is terribly designed.

[Mefris Elmek]

Xbox piracy really isn't that bad, and PC piracy is mostly caused by the fact they put anti-piracy devices in their games.

Microsoft Performs Mass Xbox Console Banning Because Of Piracy
The Xbox holds the 2nd place when it comes to piracy while the PS3 is on the last place with a piracy level smaller then the Wii even.

Ironic, they very devices they use to try to stop piracy are what causes most piracy....... and despite being told that by the Pc community game companies still dont get it.

This is true.

Yeah sony pulled its head out of its ass and is letting Valve relase DLC for free, doesnt mean Gabe doesnt still think it is terribly designed.

Valve is a company based on principle.They don't bend down for anyone,not even Sony.

We have a tendency for going off topic so we might as well stop here.We have quite a few things to talk about Dawnguard as it is.
The Dragonborn for example.I consider him to be Talos now but with all this vampirism going around things get strange.What will he become?The vampiric God of (man)kind?

[SajuukKhar]

The Dragonborn for example.I consider him to be Talos now but with all this vampirism going around things get strange.What will he become?The vampiric God of (man)kind?

Well The Dovahkiin is only one third of the divine trinity that makes up Talos, i wouldn't be surprised if the human parts of the other two purge the vampiric part, or if during ascension the curse of the daedra is burned away in glorious CHIM.

[cowleyj]

Chim?

[SajuukKhar]

Chim?

CHIM, the secret symbol of royalty, the state of divine being only Vivec and Talos have ever reached.

Above the Aedra, back to the first act of Anu and Padhome

[Mefris Elmek]

burned away in glorious CHIM.

That was my thought as well.CHIM resolves every loose end from curses to the daedric ownership of the soul.
I wonder if Beth will speculate this to it's full extent and not leave it out because it's more poetic and fulfilling then fadeing into "nothingness".

Edit:I wonder if you can remain a "normal" vampire and join the Dawnguard as well.A "Blade" character would be very fun to play.

[Vardark]

But if the vampire's side of the conflict gets their own skill tree, don't you think the Dawnguard will get something similar? As of now, becoming a Vampire Lord seems to come with a ton of new features and perks, while becoming a vampire hunter gives you a crossbow and some shiny armor at best.

[Narzul]

But if the vampire's side of the conflict gets their own skill tree, don't you think the Dawnguard will get something similar? As of now, becoming a Vampire Lord seems to come with a ton of new features and perks, while becoming a vampire hunter gives you a crossbow and some shiny armor at best.

Not everyone wants to be a vampire. The whole point of joining the Dawnguard is that you get to fight these new and improved vampires instead of being one. I hope it'll be a challenge.

[SajuukKhar]

burned away in glorious CHIM.

That was my thought as well.CHIM resolves every loose end from curses to the daedric ownership of the soul.
I wonder if Beth will speculate this to it's full extent and not leave it out because it's more poetic and fulfilling then fadeing into "nothingness".

Edit:I wonder if you can remain a "normal" vampire and join the Dawnguard as well.A "Blade" character would be very fun to play.

the GI scans say you wont be attacked by normal towns people if you are a "regular" vampire anymore.

Though they have have gotten confused with a well fed vampire.