I'm still not seeing the correlation here. Opposition to sexual deviancy =/= racism.Knight Captain Kerr wrote:Spoiler:
That's all I have to say on the matter.
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I'm still not seeing the correlation here. Opposition to sexual deviancy =/= racism.Knight Captain Kerr wrote:Spoiler:

Actually, it is absolutely comparable. Just as one cannot naturally change their skin-colour, one cannot change how they are wired. They're both very much related to genetics.Witchery wrote:Race and sexual orientation are not comparable by any means.

Hat wrote:Do you people understand how underrated ZeRoc is? Do you see this post above me?
I work at Ancestry, so does that make me an ancestor ghost?Avron wrote:Guys, do you realize just how glorious all of ZeRoc's puns are?

Wise decision. I'm going to as well. XDZeRoc wrote:So much can be debated on that, but I'll stay out of it.

?Witchery wrote:Wise decision. I'm going to as well. XDZeRoc wrote:So much can be debated on that, but I'll stay out of it.
Witchery wrote:Race and sexual orientation are not comparable by any means.Knight Captain Kerr wrote:Morgan Freeman has shown us how to solve problems relating to racism. I'm sure we could do the same thing to stop homophobia.

?House of the Wolf wrote:?Witchery wrote:Wise decision. I'm going to as well. XDZeRoc wrote:So much can be debated on that, but I'll stay out of it.
....10min earlier:
Witchery wrote:Race and sexual orientation are not comparable by any means.Knight Captain Kerr wrote:Morgan Freeman has shown us how to solve problems relating to racism. I'm sure we could do the same thing to stop homophobia.
..and done.Witchery wrote:That's all I have to say on the matter.


Hat wrote:Do you people understand how underrated ZeRoc is? Do you see this post above me?
I work at Ancestry, so does that make me an ancestor ghost?Avron wrote:Guys, do you realize just how glorious all of ZeRoc's puns are?

ZeRoc wrote:and it's statements like that that makes it hard to follow what I said... tell me the source of these "facts" and I'll go along with it. (Whatever your religion is doesn't count, as mine will undoubtedly be the opposite.)

I agree somewhat. I don't believe that being gay is a sin, so therefore, I'm not a textbook example of a Catholic. God is about love, not discriminating.House of the Wolf wrote:ZeRoc wrote:and it's statements like that that makes it hard to follow what I said... tell me the source of these "facts" and I'll go along with it. (Whatever your religion is doesn't count, as mine will undoubtedly be the opposite.)
This.
And This.
And even this!(yes..even Rupert Murdoch's Faux News)
And those were amongst the first few that Google popped-up.
And as far as religion, I'm not religious. I'm spiritual. I believe in God, not in people who tell me how to interpret a book.

Wow, you know...that was wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. I love Morgan Freeman as an actor, but that little clip has allowed me to wonder if there is more about him I could respect.Knight Captain Kerr wrote:Morgan Freeman has shown us how to solve problems relating to racism. I'm sure we could do the same thing to stop homophobia.


Wow, great points there, Daendra. I guess the whole genetic issue is used to throw down some people's arguments that it's a choice. But I agree, no matter what, they are free to have the same rights as us.Deandra wrote:You know... I don't see why some parts of the gay rights movement keep trying to argue that homosexuality is genetic, as if it is at all relevant to the question of whether or not gay people should enjoy the same rights that the rest of us enjoy. If somehow it were proven the other way, that homosexuality is without a doubt based on something else, whether it's society, ones upbringing, or just a flat out choice, do you think that would justify discrimination?
I'm not arguing that the basis for sexual preferences are one thing or another. I don't have any experience with that particular question, and I don't think any of us really know the answer to what precise mix of factors will make one person attracted to people of the same sex, any more than there's a perfect explanation for why I prefer men with dark hair as opposed to blonde guys.
I just feel like trying to pin the quest for equality on some science that isn't going to be conclusively proven one way or the other is setting yourself up for disappointment. How about we stick to the idea that all humans deserve to be treated with dignity and respect for their own decisions that don't hurt others?

I agree with you 100%. My only reason for bringing genetics into it was in response to the argument that it's a "choice" and therefore is not a civil rights issue.Deandra wrote:You know... I don't see why some parts of the gay rights movement keep trying to argue that homosexuality is genetic, as if it is at all relevant to the question of whether or not gay people should enjoy the same rights that the rest of us enjoy. If somehow it were proven the other way, that homosexuality is without a doubt based on something else, whether it's society, ones upbringing, or just a flat out choice, do you think that would justify discrimination?
I'm not arguing that the basis for sexual preferences are one thing or another. I don't have any experience with that particular question, and I don't think any of us really know the answer to what precise mix of factors will make one person attracted to people of the same sex, any more than there's a perfect explanation for why I prefer men with dark hair as opposed to blonde guys.
I just feel like trying to pin the quest for equality on some science that isn't going to be conclusively proven one way or the other is setting yourself up for disappointment. How about we stick to the idea that all humans deserve to be treated with dignity and respect for their own decisions that don't hurt others?

In other words, history should be used as a caricature against which we idealize our values. The inverse approach is also used, though less frequently: cherry picking examples from history and contrasting them favorably with perceived contemporary flaws.Avron the S'wit wrote:"And you shouldn't," I responded, "because we don't really learn from the past. If we really learned from the past, we would have abolished the things that allow humanity to put up walls and fences - wars, poverty, segregation, discrimination, race, nationality, creed - twenty years ago."


Because love is too valuable to be given away freely.Musicman247 wrote:I LOVE EVERYONE!![]()
Now why can't everybody else just say that and get on with their lives?


Because if you love everyone, some people think it's their job to inform you that you are what everybody in Seattle calls the South Lake Union Trolley.Musicman247 wrote:Just gonna put this out there...
I LOVE EVERYONE!![]()
Now why can't everybody else just say that and get on with their lives?


Umm......thank......thank you?Mrs T wrote:No, no, Musicman would obviously be a stud.

I use the word in a sex-positive way and apply it regardless of the genitals involved, but I realize that I need to be very cautious about saying it, because there is SO much baggage attached to the term.Mrs T wrote:No, no, Musicman would obviously be a stud. Sluthood is for people with [&@%!]
Really? We can't even use inoffensive words for genitalia?
Nice, I thought I was the only one around here. Sarcasm aside I do like the word sluthood as well, it has a very nice ring to it.Deandra wrote:I use the word in a sex-positive way and apply it regardless of the genitals involved, but I realize that I need to be very cautious about saying it, because there is SO much baggage attached to the term.Mrs T wrote:No, no, Musicman would obviously be a stud. Sluthood is for people with [&@%!]
Really? We can't even use inoffensive words for genitalia?

