Yes it is a mental thing, but that does not make my point any less true. I never said you could not rise above it. I do believe in casual smokers, but you can not create a law that will only allow it casually. It will not work unless you monitor their usage like they are a child.Avron the S'wit wrote:Absolutely not. Addiction is a mental thing, but you certainly have the ability to rise above it. It's why not everyone that drinks is an alcoholic, and why people who have tried, say, marijuana once don't necessarily smoke it all day long forever after that.Vendetta wrote:See, there is a problem there, because when someone has a bit of drugs, they will want more and more then BOOM, addiction.Mrs T wrote: Heavy drugs? Against.
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That there is just stupid. Those animals are being killed for food. As cruel as these institutions may be, it's for food, not for enjoyment or out of idiocy.Vendetta wrote:A death sentence for hurting animals is going a bit too far. People at slaughter houses would be charged with death thousands of times over.Sloady wrote:I don't see the point in taking away people's right to live a happy life so long as they're not hurting people/animals.
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O noes a kitten died, kill that horrible murderer!Mars wrote:That there is just stupid. Those animals are being killed for food. As cruel as these institutions may be, it's for food, not for enjoyment or out of idiocy.Vendetta wrote:A death sentence for hurting animals is going a bit too far. People at slaughter houses would be charged with death thousands of times over.Sloady wrote:I don't see the point in taking away people's right to live a happy life so long as they're not hurting people/animals.
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Same here.Arch-Mage Matt wrote: Separation of Church and State: For
Marrriage isn't always a religious ceremony. Sometimes it is secular and other times it is part of a certain religion. No Religion has the right to force its own view on others.
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Now you're being an idiot.Vendetta wrote:O noes a kitten died, kill that horrible murderer!
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I just see no point in it. You can have your gay partner all you want, I don't care, but what makes it any different by getting married?Mrs T wrote:It also happens to be the institution through which your love is legally recognised and your partner is granted legal protection and benefits. And what about the same sex couples that are indeed religious? hardly seems fair on them.Vendetta wrote:I am for gay couples but against gay marriage.
So you see other men/women attractive? Good for you. But why bother getting married?
Marriage is a religious ceremony, and most gays are nonreligious anyway. I see no point. It does not benefit them in any way.
I see gays who want to get married as people who want to show off gay as a status symbol.

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I think people are mistaking what I said about taking away people's right to a happy life the wrong way. I meant that no one should have the right to take away other people's rights, not that we should kill people for hurting animals. =/
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What difference does it make if a straight couple gets married?Vendetta wrote:I just see no point in it. You can have your gay partner all you want, I don't care, but what makes it any different by getting married?Mrs T wrote:It also happens to be the institution through which your love is legally recognised and your partner is granted legal protection and benefits. And what about the same sex couples that are indeed religious? hardly seems fair on them.Vendetta wrote:I am for gay couples but against gay marriage.
So you see other men/women attractive? Good for you. But why bother getting married?
Marriage is a religious ceremony, and most gays are nonreligious anyway. I see no point. It does not benefit them in any way.
I see gays who want to get married as people who want to show off gay as a status symbol.
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No other person has the right to force his/hers own views on a religion.
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Exactly.Mars wrote: What difference does it make if a straight couple gets married?
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I fail to see your point. Gay marriage is conducted by the state.POMC S117 wrote:No other person has the right to force his/hers own views on a religion.
How about using proper arguments so that people don't think you're an idiot? Believe me, it works.Vendetta wrote:I know. I am an idiot because I don't think someone should be killed or life sentenced by killing a stupid dog.
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Gay marriage For
Abortion For
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Usage of crack, heroin etc. Against
Say a guy is a serial murderer, he should be killed, repeat offences of animal cruelty? TO THE BLOCK!
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Mars wrote: What difference does it make if a straight couple gets married?
Because, to us, it is a religious ceremony. You say you are not religious but that does not mean that there are no people that are religious.
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YOU GUYS MISUNDERSTAND ME.
What I meant = Nobody has the right to take away someone else's right to be happy unless it's affecting someone else. Examples: Gay Marriage, Drug/Alcohol Use, Gambling, Prostitution (so long as it's safe, which I know is an oxymoron)
What you got = Death sentence for hurting animals.
NOT THE SAME
What I meant = Nobody has the right to take away someone else's right to be happy unless it's affecting someone else. Examples: Gay Marriage, Drug/Alcohol Use, Gambling, Prostitution (so long as it's safe, which I know is an oxymoron)
What you got = Death sentence for hurting animals.
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But if the government and the church are two separate entities, that will never be a good reason to ban it.
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Marriage conducted by the state isn't a religious ceremony.Vendetta wrote:Mars wrote: What difference does it make if a straight couple gets married?
Because, to us, it is a religious ceremony. You say you are not religious but that does not mean that there are no people that are religious.
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So that means that a priest won't have to marry two men or two women?Mars wrote:I fail to see your point. Gay marriage is conducted by the state.POMC S117 wrote:No other person has the right to force his/hers own views on a religion.
I'm not denying that Cardbird.
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I am talking about it's origin. Was there an America thousands of years ago? I don't think so.

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Avron the S'wit wrote:I'm a little worried this is a potential problem thread, but I'll let it go for now. Just make sure this thread doesn't turn into an argument. Respect other people's opinions and their right to have them and be mature, everyone.
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I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.POMC S117 wrote:So that means that a priest won't have to marry two men or two women?Mars wrote:I fail to see your point. Gay marriage is conducted by the state.POMC S117 wrote:No other person has the right to force his/hers own views on a religion.
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Seperation of state and church. Also what if you are part of a religion that is cool with same sex relationships? Why shouldn't they have the right to this "religious" ceremony?Vendetta wrote:Mars wrote: What difference does it make if a straight couple gets married?
Because, to us, it is a religious ceremony. You say you are not religious but that does not mean that there are no people that are religious.
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I am Catholic, but I still fully support gay marriage. Is that wrong? No.
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Just a few decades ago interracial marriage was illegal. Times change.

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