is Mainstream really bad?

[Wolfie]

There's no logical reason I don't like eggs, they're good for me, I'm not allergic to them, I just don't like how they taste. Ye, I said it, I don't like eggs!
There's no logical reason I don't like *artist*, it's using the same chord/scale as some music I do like, I just don't like how it sounds.
It's all personal interpretation. (i.e. Opinion)
There doesn't need to be any reason towards [dis]liking something.

You don't like eggs thats a good reason they taste bad to you, your taste buds are made where you dont like them


there is a deference there

And yes you need a reason, it dont make sense
there is no not liking some just cause
I can understand not liking metal
you dont like the wail
ect
i can understand not liking eggs cause of the taste (hey me to btw)

but why hate eggs if
A. they don't taste bad?

there is no reason if your not allergic or don't like the taste, or you dont belive in eating eggs is wrong

No one hates something just cause there is always a reasson

its basic psychology

[Jeff]

It is not about what Chords that you use... it is how you use them.

[Wolfie]

It is not about what Chords that you use... it is how you use them.

explain? sure strum or what ever you use affects it but a lot of bands use the same sturm

D D D U D U

or in other terms

1 2 3 & 4 &
and you can play any song with any sturm

[Jeff]

Find me something that sounds like these: (mainstream or underground)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEHlKR3hwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUSzLFIRBls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTFk7Wfwz0w

[The Dog Whisperer]

Yeah, I don't like the eggs because I perceive their taste as bad. The location of my tastebuds is more a physical "how" and not a "why".
Another example: Why do some people like the colour red, but others don't?
Why do I like *artist* and you don't?
Both are cases of differing perception- Y'know that old philosophical "How do I know my *colour* is your *colour*" debate.
How do I know what I'm hearing is what you're hearing? Just because it's physically the same doesn't mean I hear it the same way you do.

[Jeff]

Which Version do I like the most, and why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVR8lg1Y ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGYaP8l ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V48_Cvb ... re=related

[Wolfie]

Yeah, I don't like the eggs because I perceive their taste as bad. The location of my tastebuds is more a physical "how" and not a "why".

but it is still a why that is how taste buds work

Another example: Why do some people like the colour red, but others don't?

funny you said this

Red has long been associated as the color of love, but why? A new study confirms the color red actually makes men more attractive to women.

http://www.suite101.com/content/how-to- ... red-a76226

and it works the other way around
http://www.examiner.com/alternative-med ... study-says

Wearing red makes men more attractive to women, and this is true across cultures. For both biological and social reasons, women find men attractive who wear red, and what’s more, they aren’t aware that they are being influenced by it.

On the social side: Women perceive that it indicates power, social status, and the ability to provide wealth. On the biological side: Next time you go to the zoo, notice the color red naturally "worn" by mandrills and some baboons. In these primates, red is most intense in alpha males. What makes this interesting is that the females are more interested in mating often with alpha males, who are better at providing what constitutes wealth in the animal kingdom.



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So Red does effect every one the same way even if you don't notice it Humans like Red maybe on a subb level bbut they do

Why do I like *artist* and you don't?
Both are cases of differing perception- Y'know that old philosophical "How do I know my *colour* is your *colour*" debate.
How do I know what I'm hearing is what you're hearing? Just because it's physically the same doesn't mean I hear it the same way you do.

yes it dose all humans ears are built the same way when it comes to pitch (not couitng mutations which are very very ra4re)

You dont hear dont fear the reaper defiantly then i do

Which Version do I like the most, and why?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVR8lg1Y ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3 ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXGYaP8l ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V48_Cvb ... re=related

dont work since they all do a deferent thing to the same song

(that genre tends to be improvised)


this is the real way to tell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE1FILogdUE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMgunrAQfIM

sadly its imposable to show you the exact thing vocal wise

but the guitar is 100% what the other guy does
which is better? neither

Find me something that sounds like these: (mainstream or underground)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvEHlKR3hwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUSzLFIRBls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTFk7Wfwz0w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ4B6AIIoGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jamJIe332R0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxc4B1Js ... re=related


Just a few form hearing them once each

[Avron the S'wit]

As for this discussion, I agree with leroybrown and Jeff: live and let live. I like a wide variety of things and my personal philosophy is to try everything once before deciding. "Bad" is up to one's own personal interpretation, and that is that.

yes but dont you need a reasson?

Oh, my reason? It's somewhere between "age" and "experience." You mellow out when you realize how big the world is and how many possibilities there are. You know what they say...variety is the spice of life. And variety sure ain't bad.

(Barring, of course, intentional attempts to ruin someone's life or something of the sort, which this discussion doesn't fall into. But you know how it goes!)

[The Dog Whisperer]

Just because red has the same effect on everyone doesn't mean we all see it the same, though.
The colour I see when I look at your post, we both call it red since that's what we've been taught, but how do we know it looks the same to both of us?
I have no way of communicating the difference, because the colour's simply red. (Holding back the yeears)
I'm pretty sure I seen Avron talking about this before, btw.
In the same sense, we're both sensing the same good vibrations with our ears, that are the same, [That's the physical] but how do I know my brain is making the same sense of it that your's is? [That's the perception]

Sub-concious reactions normally occur because of something instinctual- A sudden noise will scare everyone, the colour red will make people more attractive (Iunno how that one came about, but you have the apparent evidence) but this is, again, something we've been "taught", in a sense, through instincts.

Ditto on the taste, my tastebuds are how I taste, [physical] they aren't the reason for why my brain tells me something tastes good/bad. [perception]

[Wolfie]

Just because red has the same effect on everyone doesn't mean we all see it the same, though.
The colour I see when I look at your post, we both call it red since that's what we've been taught, but how do we know it looks the same to both of us?

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-we-see.htm
science\biology
we know how the brain works
color comes form The eyes connected to the brain
it sees the things that cause it (light)
and the light afects what we see
so in short we all see black
we all see blue
the blue punch buggy will be blue
the only thing that will afect collor is if we dont have the eaxct same things going on

for exsample

If I'm on one side of the car and your on the other
depinding on where the sun is we will see defreintly
but if it was possabble for us to be o"n€e"
it would e the same

Our eyes are the input channels, if you will, for this light. One portion of the eye is called the retina and it contains four types of light sensors. First are the rods, which record brightness and darkness and from which we "see" a sort of coarse sketch of the world. Next are three types of cones, each one optimized to absorb a different spectrum range of visible light. One set of cones absorbs long wavelengths, the reds. Another absorbs mid-size wavelengths, the greens. The third absorbs short wavelengths, the blues. Together, these rods and cones gather the information that our brain then processes into one combined image.

I have no way of communicating the difference, because the colour's simply red. (Holding back the yeears)
I'm pretty sure I seen Avron talking about this before, btw.
In the same sense, we're both sensing the same good vibrations with our ears, that are the same, [That's the physical] but how do I know my brain is making the same sense of it that your's is? [That's the perception]

Because baring mutations
we see the same thing
a bat is a stick that gets wider on one side and thiner on the other
the bat will never be deferent for any one unless they are seeing things
(i cant spell the word that starts with H)

Sub-concious reactions normally occur because of something instinctual- A sudden noise will scare everyone, the colour red will make people more attractive (Iunno how that one came about, but you have the apparent evidence) but this is, again, something we've been "taught", in a sense, through instincts.[/color]Ditto on the taste, my tastebuds are how I taste, [physical] they aren't the reason for why my brain tells me something tastes good/bad. [perception]

[/quote]http://ilovebacteria.com/taste.htm
read
its all about what taste buds you have

sure the brain perceives it but the taste buds say if you like it or not

also something that suprized me (prove that i dont know anything )

Taste isn't only down to our taste buds - it also depends on how our brain reads the signals from our tongues. The ability of a person to smell and taste depends on around 1000 genes, although half of these appear to be inactive. A few years ago, scientists discovered that around 50 of these genes are active in some people while not in others and they believe that it is these genes that make some of us like some foods while the same foods make others want to vomit! Every person is thought to have different genes switched on and off, leading to the presence of different receptors for different flavors

Genes are not in the brain (well they "are") they are in the DNA (which is every where)
The Dna tells the brain what to precvie (in other words with out the Dna in theory you would have no taste of good\bad
so your family decides what you like and don't like really
it really is not up to you
as such taste is no an opinion but rather a fact
weird huh?

[Jeff]

The Allman Brothers is my favorite version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3S0s

I grew up with my dad and a few others playing the blues, so even though it was Originally T-bones' song, and I started playing guitar because of seeing Santana, I like the feel of the Allman Brothers Version.

I like that version, because of the walking rythme guitar part. Even though the song has an awesome opportunity for some freeform riffing, I always play the rythem part, because it is what I feel. The other three really do not have much emphasis on the rythme part, and T-bones is done with piano.

...so yes... an underground band, can play a mainstream bands song, and some people may like the underground cover better.

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None of those songs sound anything close to what I posted. You may think that they might... and I would be wrong to tell you that you are wrong... but to me they do not.., not even close actually. They also do not have the same feel. The songs I posted were of a funk/punk/sonic nature with a lot of energy. I have a very accute attention to detail in sounds of the mid to high range. I hear parts of songs that most would not pick out. I also have a loss of some hearing in the lower ranges, due to my career in the Military, which means that I will miss some parts as well.

...so yes... I will hear things differently than you do.

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I do not like the color red. Especially on women... it looks trampy. Stop signs are red... on women, it is a sign to stop. It is the color for warning. Red is also a color for attention, to emphasize things. Red catches the eye... it helps you to notice the attractivness of the man/woman... it does not, and will never, make Roseann Barr attractive to me. This is the reason that it makes women look trampy... as they are trying to be an attention [&@%!].

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What you are missing here, is that an eye is an eye, and an ear is an ear... but those things come togeather at the brain. The eyes and the ears will see and hear the same things, but it is the Brain that determines what it means to us. You have not seen or heard the same things that I have, so they will mean something different to me, than they do to you. It is all about age, race, religion, culture, values, and life experiences, and our upbringing as a whole.

[The Dog Whisperer]

Wolfie, you're still talking all physicals.
All of these things are physically the same for all of us, yes, but you can't know that we all percieve them the same.
Shapes, colours, sounds, tastes will have the same recurring chemical, physical reactions on our sensory organs, but you can't prove the info that they then send to our brain is "processed" the same.

The eyes and the ears will see and hear the same things, but it is the Brain that determines what it means to us. You have not seen or heard the same things that I have, so they will mean something different to me, than they do to you.

This is basically it.
We all have a personal perception, a way our brain will work things out, (i.e. Perceive them) that is uniquely biased by everything you've ever gone through and ever learned.
DNA, Genes, it's all physically there and constant, but all the things that it "tells" us has to be perceived by our brain, and that will always make a personally unique reaction.

[MARS]

This thread has become rather annoying. I will say once again:
I know what I like and I don't care why.

[Moeboid]

This thread has become rather annoying. I will say once again:
I know what I like and I don't care why.

I agree. I can't believe I read it all. Don't worry, you don't need to justify it not liking something. I don't even think it's possible, honestly.

There was a time when I used to avoid mainstream music, thinking that there was nothing to discover there. That bias stopped me from listening to music that I really appreciate now. For the most part, I still don't like mainstream stuff, but for the most part I don't like underground stuff either... or any particular category of music.

If I was asked to justify liking what I like, I couldn't do it. I like some mainstream stuff, and some non-mainstream stuff. I would way that I'm somewhat biased against a few genres. Jazz would be an example, but there are Jazz albums that I really enjoy. Miles Davis' "[&@%!] Brew" and Dave Brubeck's "Time Out" are two examples.. I'd also say that I'm somewhat biased against country music, but again, there's exceptions (The Byrds' "Sweetheart Of The Rodeo" and Johnny Cash's "At Folsom Prison" are probably the best ones. If you consider CCR country, then that's another good one). Another bias might be soul, but when Sam Cooke's "A Change Is Gonna Come" would probably be in my top five favourite songs, the bias again can't be huge. There are probably genres that I like more than I should, but again the bias definitely isn't large.

The point of all this is how the hell do I justify all this? I can't pick certain chord progressions that I like, or particular instruments, or vocal styles... I could describe the music that I like all day long, but at best I could only find weak correllations.

[Avron the S'wit]

Let's be careful where we're taking this thread, everyone. I don't want to see a "This is annoying and whatever!" thread, nor do I want to see a "But why? x 1000" thread. It's all right if you don't agree with everyone else - variety is the spice of life - but know when to drop your annoyance over that; and know when you have to just accept someone's explanation without challenging them all the time.

That is all. Carry on, everyone.


PS - This is written in pink so you know it's important. Don't ignore me. Thank you. <3

[MARS]

Let's be careful where we're taking this thread, everyone. I don't want to see a "This is annoying and whatever!" thread, nor do I want to see a "But why? x 1000" thread. It's all right if you don't agree with everyone else - variety is the spice of life - but know when to drop your annoyance over that; and know when you have to just accept someone's explanation without challenging them all the time.

That is all. Carry on, everyone.


PS - This is written in pink so you know it's important. Don't ignore me. Thank you. <3

These posts always make me think of a saber-tooth variety of you

[Andere]

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