is Mainstream really bad?

[Wolfie]

Not just in games, TV, music, but in everything.
something that bugs me is everyone treats Mainstream like its bad, every one is saying Tes 5 may be to Mainstream
or this and that is to Mainstream, is it wrong to do soemthing even more people will like?
For games:
CoD is Mainstream but it sells a lot, and does what games are sopouse to do
entertainer, sure you can say it dose not do that for you, but thats one game It's not realistically possible to play all Mainstream games
so is it fair to say all of them are bad?

Music:
The bands don't always do it for the $$$ (no mater what you say) some of them like to entertain and the best way to entertain the most people is to go Mainstream, after all we know Mainstream will sound good it always dose (speaking music theory wise it dose)

(enter band here) is either
A . in it for Cd sells
B. to play music
C. to entertain the most people they can
Mainstream does just that in fact dose all of them
Mainstream is not bad, I think to many people are "rebelling " the system just for the heck of it

Sure Mainstream means that a lot of other Games\Bands\Tv shows do the exact same thing
but there is a reason for that
they work
they are good, they will always work, 100 years form now they still will work

why complain when something is good?
sure someone can come and say "Mainstream is not good"
well sure your opinion counts but that would mean you watch\\played\heard every single Mainstream thing out there
which I don't think is relativistic possible, as such is it really a valid one?

My point is i don't get how Mainstream is bad, sure you could play 80 Mainstream games and not like any of them
but there are still thousands of others you have not played, odds are you will like some of them
sure it can be "over done" but then there is an old saying there is nothing new under the sun, its all been done
so why complain when the next CoD comes out?
its not the exact same game, they do change things up
they even change the way the game works form time to time


why complain when the new pop song comes out
sure its sound's boring but there are only 12 notes in music and of those 12 not all go together very well, when you really think about it
its all be done in music also, metal has a repeat thing to with break down its always a drop tuning
0 0 ect always that its either C or a D every now and then its a B but they all do that and no one seems to complain about that
0 0
0 0
heck if your a gutrist you will know the "shredding" is not as impressive as it looks, sure it takes skill but all they are doing is runing down scales back and forth, some bands do make melody but most don't

Tv show: same thing
sure there are 15 so you want to be a star? shows on at one night
but they do entertain many people sit there and watch the show religiously, why get mad at someone for entertaining the most people they can?

[Mucro]

People calling others sellouts sometimes can get on my nerves.

They're getting paid to do the thing they love. How dare them.

[MARS]

I have associated "Mainstream" with bad because mainstream nowadays is mostly bad. Or just not of my liking. I'm talking about major Mainstream things. Especially pop and clothes.

[Mucro]

I absolutley detest pop music and 90% of what's in the charts.

[MARS]

Yeah, pop has gone downhill.

[Veck]

It may have something to do with the more obscure stuff genuinely heing better than most mainstream media out there. I get weird looks when I wax lyrical about 65daysofstatic when everyone else is discussing N-Dubz. Does it mean I should like N-bloody-Dubz just because most people do? Nope.

[MARS]

Exactly. Mainstream = mass.
I am not one for masses. I have never been with the mass. I like what I like. Not what I'm told to like.

[The Dog Whisperer]

Last couple of posts pretty much sum it up- Isn't that mainstream is bad, just that it's generally overrated.

[Mucro]

Unfortunatley for me, I'm often criticised for my taste in music.

I hate N-Dubz, Jason De-Rulo and all that crap. I was listening to Bloodbuzz ohio and Rolling stones in ICT once, and I got called a '[&@%!]'.
And I quote: "Yeah, that song's s***, so you're s***."

I hate my school.

[MARS]

Unfortunatley for me, I'm often criticised for my taste in music.

I hate N-Dubz, Jason De-Rulo and all that crap. I was listening to Bloodbuzz ohio and Rolling stones in ICT once, and I got called a [&@%!]
And I quote: "Yeah, that song's s***, so you're s***."

I hate my school.

I hate your school too.

[Wolfie]

I have associated "Mainstream" with bad because mainstream nowadays is mostly bad. Or just not of my liking. I'm talking about major Mainstream things. Especially pop and clothes.

This is what I'm talking about to me that seems unfair


Why do you not like pop (note this may not relate to you but more then enough pepole it will)
most will say (this is quite long if you dont want to hear about music theroy just skip this

Spoiler:

A. its the same thing over and over
music theory lesson time! (guitar is what i am talking about but its the same for ALL music)
there are only 12 notes as I have said, those notes make up chords
the basic chords there are only 14 chords with major and minor A, Am, B, Bm C,Cm, D, Dm, E, Em , F, Fm, G, Gm
now you add 7th's for each which adds 14 more
28, now of those 28 only 8 go in to a scale (most scales) of those 8 only 6 or so will sound really good together
so of those 6 we pick 4 most of the time
, C, F, G, Am
and then we add the other two in the chorus\bridge
Dm Em

now you can switch this to the 12 keys
and they all are the same idea
only the pitch them selfs are deferent
the raise in pitch is always the same so like its
1(C) + 3 = 4(F) + 1 = 5(g) + 1 = Am
and then you can switch any of those chords around basically
So its not that pop is always the same thing
MUSIC is always the same thing
you can add this to any Genre
Rock (power chords mostly in Am or E)
Metal (power chords made easy by drop tuning, D, C,B)
Blues (7ths lots and lots of 7ths)
Country (find me one country song that dose not have a D in it)
Jazz (this one is one of the most "unique ones" but a lot of people don't like it because of it)
Funk (whats that you ask? well not surprised funk tried to break away form the "norm" and ended up being one of the least known major genres, and now they to follow the rules of four chords)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpB_40hYjXU
take that and you can do that to almost any song
not just mainstream pop all songs



As I'm not in to Show making or Game making i cant put as a good argument for them

But i tell you, they ALL have the same idea

[MARS]

Pop musing for one isn't about music anymore. It's about fame and money. It's just another job now. And the music just isn't good.

[Wolfie]

Exactly. Mainstream = mass.
I am not one for masses. I have never been with the mass. I like what I like. Not what I'm told to like.

So because others like it you don't?

No one tells you to like this except those who think that every one must share the same likes as them, and of course that is a lot of people but then think how many people say "dont like mainstream to many people like it" in time that will be the mass
what then? will you switch agian?


this is where I am getting at

to me it seems dumb
"every one else likes it, I'm told to like it so i don't?"


Thats just not linking it because the majority do?
or because your told to?

Would it be fair for me to hate who dun it because every one else here thinks its the best quest on TES4?

[Veck]

I never said I don't like pop. The irony of the genre is that certain artists are not sctually as popular as the genre suggests. Take Marina & The Diamonds, certified pop musician and Veck's mainstream avatar for a decent amount of time. Sure, some people may have heard ofher and she's got criminally underrated catchiness in her tracks, but lack of airplay= no fame. Then you can into Florence & Her [&@%!] Machines, who deserves absolutely 0% of the fame and great reception she gets, but for some incomprehensible reason is treated as being an excellent musician. Another good example would be in the film i dustry. I could bang on about how great foreign and indie films are, but I prefer them to polished Hollywood films because they are generally better. But they don't get anywhere near as much fame because they aren't as accessible. And that's where I think what's mainstream and what isn't comes down to: accessibility. Most people just want something they can easily listen/watch/play, so they'll enjoy the simple stuff without caring about the actual quality of it.

[MARS]

Exactly. Mainstream = mass.
I am not one for masses. I have never been with the mass. I like what I like. Not what I'm told to like.

So because others like it you don't?

No one tells you to like this except those who think that every one must share the same likes as them, and of course that is a lot of people but then think how many people say "dont like mainstream to many people like it" in time that will be the mass
what then? will you switch agian?


this is where I am getting at

to me it seems dumb
"every one else likes it, I'm told to like it so i don't?"


Thats just not linking it because the majority do?
or because your told to?

Would it be fair for me to hate who dun it because every one else here thinks its the best quest on TES4?

No. I really do not like it. I wouldn't like it if it was the most underground, cool thing ever. It's just not good and I do not like it. And what I'm saying is that it's promoted by the media. Which means we are told to like it. But I don't. Get me?

[nyk45]

To answer your question: no, some people just think liking obscure things makes you more unique than the rest of the world. Personally, I couldn't give a flying crap about some of the 'mainstream' stuff. I just happen to like other things more - popular or not. Saying it's bad is silly, since that's not a fact. But the same goes for saying it's good...

[MARS]

I'm talking so generally because I don't want to make a huge list of things that I consider good and bad.
My point is:
I like what I like. End of story.

[Wolfie]

No. I really do not like it. I wouldn't like it if it was the most underground, cool thing ever. It's just not good and I do not like it. And what I'm saying is that it's promoted by the media. Which means we are told to like it. But I don't. Get me?

So what about it do you not like?
Is it the high pitched voices?
is it the guitar only being there for rhythm while singing is the main thing?

To answer your question: no, some people just think liking obscure things makes you more unique than the rest of the world. Personally, I couldn't give a flying crap about some of the 'mainstream' stuff. I just happen to like other things more - popular or not. Saying it's bad is silly, since that's not a fact. But the same goes for saying it's good...

Music theory wise it is good, it is pleasing to the ear

at least the Am C F G is
this is a fact there is no IMO i don't like that, your ear will like it there is no way for your ear not to like it
ecuse then you don't like music period , since thats all music is (except rap if it only has drums)

[MARS]

No. I really do not like it. I wouldn't like it if it was the most underground, cool thing ever. It's just not good and I do not like it. And what I'm saying is that it's promoted by the media. Which means we are told to like it. But I don't. Get me?

So what about it do you not like?
Is it the high pitched voices?
is it the guitar only being there for rhythm while singing is the main thing?

To answer your question: no, some people just think liking obscure things makes you more unique than the rest of the world. Personally, I couldn't give a flying crap about some of the 'mainstream' stuff. I just happen to like other things more - popular or not. Saying it's bad is silly, since that's not a fact. But the same goes for saying it's good...

Music theory wise it is good, it is pleasing to the ear

at least the Am C F G is
this is a fact there is no IMO i don't like that, your ear will like it there is no way for your ear not to like it
ecuse then you don't like music period , since thats all music is (except rap if it only has drums)

Not all people like the same music.

[Wolfie]

It may have something to do with the more obscure stuff genuinely heing better than most mainstream media out there. I get weird looks when I wax lyrical about 65daysofstatic when everyone else is discussing N-Dubz. Does it mean I should like N-bloody-Dubz just because most people do? Nope.

How is it better, what does it do defreintly?
is it the lyrics?
is it the music it self? (i don't know either of those bands so im guessing rap by the name, but for all i know it could be folk)

To many people just say
"non mainstream is just better" thats not a reasson
there has to be a reasson
it cant be better just because its not on the radio, tears in heaven is still tears in heaven if it was on the radio or not
i will acept the songs get over played
but don't the non mainstream get the same effect if you play them over and over?
in which case that has nothing to do with mainstream but rather hearing the same thing over and over is boring
dont play the radio and you only have to hear (enter pop song here) Evey when you want

[MARS]

I don't know what others say. There are many people who don't know what they like. I for one do. I like certain sounds, pitches, chord progressions, voices etc.
Most of the mainstream music doesn't appeal to me.

[Wolfie]

Not all people like the same music.

True but you donut understand
Am C F G is used in all genres (not those fours chords but the theory behind them
Rap even its beats have notes

and most are
Am C F G or to that efect
Metal uses
Drop dtungin: 000 444 555
notice something there?
the 1 4 5 form above?
yep there to

music is the same
Blues uses 7ths but it even uses 1 4 5


chords are made of pitches
unless your tone death
1 4 5 will sound good (you know when you hear a new guy play notes and you cringe?)
thats cause the pitches will never sound good

bbut once you play 1 4 5 it will sound good

not great
but good
they fit
this is basic science when dealing with the ears

I don't know what others say. There are many people who don't know what they like. I for one do. I like certain sounds, pitches, chord progressions, voices etc.

Most of the mainstream music doesn't appeal to me.

give me one non mainstream song you like one and I'll bet anything it uses 1 4 5 or a variant there of , the same as (enter pop song here)
you like 1 4 5 that is used in pop
becuse enter band here uses it

1 45 is used more then 95 % of the time in all genres in all mainstream and underground
this is a fact

[nyk45]

Music theory wise it is good, it is pleasing to the ear

at least the Am C F G is
this is a fact there is no IMO i don't like that, your ear will like it there is no way for your ear not to like it
ecuse then you don't like music period , since thats all music is (except rap if it only has drums)

I'm the first to admit I don't know the first thing about music theory, but are you saying everyone likes the same chords?

[MARS]

I don't give a damn about theory. I like some things. I don't like other things. That's all there is do it. Trying to scientifically explain what I like is not something I, for lack of a better word, approve off.

[Veck]

It's very difficult to apply theories to what people actually do and don't like in terms of music, and it's certainly impossible with our current understanding of the brain and human emotions. You could argue that Am C F G is indeed a popular sound, but that's simply due to the use it gets in popular music. You could just as easily argue that Fm7 is an unpleasant chord that cannot be loved by the human ear, simply because it doesn't get as much use.