Do you Pity the Dunmer?

[Derp53]

Sort of. You know who they remind me of? North Korea. They both have endured very hard times and they both are a very very proud nation/people. As a result of having to endure painful times they are very bitter towards everyone and have kind of an f u attitude. So I do feel bad but then I don't when I think of slavery and what they did to the Nerevarine. No, actually I pity their situation but not so much them. But I still love them, I have always chosen the dunmer since morrowind as my main race all the way through to skyrim.

Comparing the dunmer to North Korea is an insult beyond words. North Korea is a defunct police state run on the failed aspects of communism with an idiot in power backed by people who like the sound of money dropping into bank accounts. Morrowind in no possible way can ever ever ever ever ever be compared to North Korea. I cannot emphasize enough that North Korea is a failed state and Morrowind is very much the opposite. And I'll be honest, I disdain elves in general, but dunmer and orcs are at least unique, and making such a god awful comparison is just complete idiocy.

[BetaB17]

^Not to be a troll.. but I looked at ur status and all I can say is.. I want cake>_<
-but joking aside, your rite on some parts, even more on the real world>_> but Morrowind has always faced harsh times but are different than most elves, and since they are foes to their origins they have thus became better people, the same applies to the orcs. Their only fault is that their tendency to distrust others has led to many issues. However the argonians by far have faced more issues at the hands of others, yet proven to become ever more united.
-I must ask, why you disdain elves. Other than High elves due to arrogance and lust for control, why the rest? I know most elves never got along with humans, but that's partly because certain races in ancient times tried to either kill or enslave humans, and so extremes have appeared now and then

[Derp53]

^Not to be a troll.. but I looked at ur status and all I can say is.. I want cake>_<
-but joking aside, your rite on some parts, even more on the real world>_> but Morrowind has always faced harsh times but are different than most elves, and since they are foes to their origins they have thus became better people, the same applies to the orcs. Their only fault is that their tendency to distrust others has led to many issues. However the argonians by far have faced more issues at the hands of others, yet proven to become ever more united.
-I must ask, why you disdain elves. Other than High elves due to arrogance and lust for control, why the rest? I know most elves never got along with humans, but that's partly because certain races in ancient times tried to either kill or enslave humans, and so extremes have appeared now and then

Its ok, I can give you some cake *gives cake*
Anyhow, I'm completely right on that, North Korea is a defunct police state with a immature brat idolized as a god in their society. House Redoran is nowhere near an immature brat backed by a corrupt military. And not to go too far off topic but I'm a human, I like other humans. When I see altmer banning a controversial human god but holding someone like Magnus as acceptable it [&@%!] me off. Also, bosmer are stereotype rip offs, and altmer are also the same thing. At least Dunmer and Orsimer have their own unique lore and story. Altmer and bosmer don't even have that.

[BetaB17]

Yay cake ^_^ num num num. Here's some pie, <_< --->_> "its pie flavored"
-Very true on parts. I like the humans and some mer, but throughout the series I played as an argonian.. always experiencing some form of hate from a group in each game. "At least when you hold my head underwater, I won't drown. Wished you could say the same =_="

[Right-Hand-Of-Sithis]

Sort of. You know who they remind me of? North Korea. They both have endured very hard times and they both are a very very proud nation/people. As a result of having to endure painful times they are very bitter towards everyone and have kind of an f u attitude. So I do feel bad but then I don't when I think of slavery and what they did to the Nerevarine. No, actually I pity their situation but not so much them. But I still love them, I have always chosen the dunmer since morrowind as my main race all the way through to skyrim.

Comparing the dunmer to North Korea is an insult beyond words. North Korea is a defunct police state run on the failed aspects of communism with an idiot in power backed by people who like the sound of money dropping into bank accounts. Morrowind in no possible way can ever ever ever ever ever be compared to North Korea. I cannot emphasize enough that North Korea is a failed state and Morrowind is very much the opposite. And I'll be honest, I disdain elves in general, but dunmer and orcs are at least unique, and making such a god awful comparison is just complete idiocy.

Actually, I'm not so sure. Going before the Red Year and whatnot, the tribunal became gods (much like the cult of personality surrounding the Kim Dynasty, and particularly its founder), the Temple/Workers Party of Korea lay down the law of these gods/dictators, enforced by Ordinators/The Korean People's Army. Both the Temple and the DPRK resent Imperialism, and what they believe to be an occupation of their lands. House Indoril/The KPA often challenge these occupations. They both have a racial hatred toward outsiders.

Plus the Juche Idea, much like anything to come out of Vivec's mouth, makes no sense.

*Realises he has compared Morrowind to the DPRK*

What have I done!?

[Avron the S'wit]

Horrible things! You've done horrible things!

No, I'm just kidding. Those are some interesting comparisons, I must say. Very creative.

[BetaB17]

Horrible things! You've done horrible things!

Yes we have, muhahahaha=_=
here have some pie "drops it on floor"

[Eltee]

Considering the lingering strength and pride of the Dunmer as a people, it's more a solidarity than a pity I feel for them.

[Right-Hand-Of-Sithis]

Horrible things! You've done horrible things!

Solidarity with the Dunmer against state capitalism!

*Boots up Morrowind, creates new character. names it 'Vladimir Lenin', Creates class 'revolutionary', main skills include speechcraft, illusion and destruction, specialisation in Personality and Intelligence. The Internationale Plays*

[Opi]

Sort of. You know who they remind me of? North Korea. They both have endured very hard times and they both are a very very proud nation/people. As a result of having to endure painful times they are very bitter towards everyone and have kind of an f u attitude. So I do feel bad but then I don't when I think of slavery and what they did to the Nerevarine. No, actually I pity their situation but not so much them. But I still love them, I have always chosen the dunmer since morrowind as my main race all the way through to skyrim.

Comparing the dunmer to North Korea is an insult beyond words. North Korea is a defunct police state run on the failed aspects of communism with an idiot in power backed by people who like the sound of money dropping into bank accounts. Morrowind in no possible way can ever ever ever ever ever be compared to North Korea. I cannot emphasize enough that North Korea is a failed state and Morrowind is very much the opposite. And I'll be honest, I disdain elves in general, but dunmer and orcs are at least unique, and making such a god awful comparison is just complete idiocy.

Take a chill pill buddy. I should of been more specific, I am comparing more the people of both nations rather than the governments. But now that I think about it, they aren't so different.

[Derp53]

Sort of. You know who they remind me of? North Korea. They both have endured very hard times and they both are a very very proud nation/people. As a result of having to endure painful times they are very bitter towards everyone and have kind of an f u attitude. So I do feel bad but then I don't when I think of slavery and what they did to the Nerevarine. No, actually I pity their situation but not so much them. But I still love them, I have always chosen the dunmer since morrowind as my main race all the way through to skyrim.

Comparing the dunmer to North Korea is an insult beyond words. North Korea is a defunct police state run on the failed aspects of communism with an idiot in power backed by people who like the sound of money dropping into bank accounts. Morrowind in no possible way can ever ever ever ever ever be compared to North Korea. I cannot emphasize enough that North Korea is a failed state and Morrowind is very much the opposite. And I'll be honest, I disdain elves in general, but dunmer and orcs are at least unique, and making such a god awful comparison is just complete idiocy.

Take a chill pill buddy. I should of been more specific, I am comparing more the people of both nations rather than the governments. But now that I think about it, they aren't so different.

I'd disagree, your average dunmer isn't a malnourished, misguided, stupid pawn. The tribunal did exert a lot of influence, but, your average north korean is nowhere near your average dunmer

[Right-Hand-Of-Sithis]

I'd disagree, your average dunmer isn't a malnourished, misguided, stupid pawn. The tribunal did exert a lot of influence, but, your average north korean is nowhere near your average dunmer

We'd probably need more evidence to go on to establish that.

Another thing I just thought of. A number of North Korean dissadents seek asylum in China to the west. A number of dunmer dissadents sought asylum in the west, in Skyrim and Cyrodiil. And any dissent from the ruling line of the temple/party is punished by concentration camps.

Both Morrowind and North korea were left ruined after a devastating event.

[Leilah]

Please keep real-world politics out of this.

[MoncarBelvani]

I pity the average Dunmer, but not their elites. The elite had the political power to change things, and they were well educated enough to be familiar with other customs (and because of this, I assume they were familiar with arguments against slavery). As for the average Dunmer, being an ignorant xenophobe isn't really a great way to live your life, but I don't think you deserve to be murdered/ see your family murdered because of it.

My response in character: Azura smite you all!

[Hejerrick]

I'd say: they don't need or want anyones pity, like a lot of people in here have said, the dunmer pick them selves up and move on, pity didn't help them come to terms with their sudden colour-change, neither did it help them survive on Solsteim, their lives are as hard as anyone else's, they know this, so they move on.

I'd pity them as soon as they are truly doomed, as they don't deserve such a fate, until then I'll respect them for what they are, korean- ... DUNMER!

[Pilaf The Defiler]

Okay, I'm not quite sure where this "condemning" is coming from. Not a single person has condemned anyone. We simply do not pity them.

"They deserved it",that's where it's coming from.The Chimer didn't choose to become the Dunmer,the Dunmer didn't choose to have a moonlet hover in stasis above an active volcano.Every decision concerning the Dunmer's fate was made for them by the Tribunal,Dagoth Ur,Sul etc.Half a dozen individuals making the wrong decisions doesn't warrant a "They deserved it" in my book.

I agree,the Dunmer don't need or deserve any pity.

That's what I was getting at too, Mefris.

Saying an entire group of people deserves this or that based on the actions of their leaders - who were not elected, mind you. Literally three people condemned an entire race. The Dunmer are cursed because of the betrayal of three measly Chimer. That's... I wouldn't call that deserved or honorable on the part of the gods.

[LoneSpektre]

As much as I love the Dunmer, and they are my second favourite TES race. I still can't fully pity them because as a race they are xenophobic. If the Nords fled to Morrowind and sought refuge there. The Dunmer would treat the Nords or any other race the same way the Nords treat the elves or beast races. The Windhelm Dunmer's are getting a taste of their own medicine. But having said that, I <3 the dark elves.

[AgentCommander]

yes

[Taters]

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