For me its the Dwemer because of their golden automations and the fact that their ruins are not infested with disease carrying zombies.
And were there no Ayleid rule at all in skyrim? Because there is no Ayleid ruin here



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They were not the first to use magic, if they are I want to see the source. That is only the first recorded use. Thu'um, Psjics, Creation, these are the first uses of magic. They are the only race to store crystallized Aetherial energy, i.e. magic, though.Hissien wrote:Aeyleids were more advanced in magic, they were the first race to use magic and their cities seem to utilize it for many uses that we would find mundane.
But other than that, since the Aeyleids would probably hav been only slightly better at magic than the dwemer, the Dwemer are more advanced by a mile.
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Since I meant arcane magic, I wouldn't count the thu'um, also race implies the first mortal race, not daedra. Also if they weren't the first why wasn't it written as "one of the earlier users of magic were the Ayleid...." if they were one the first then they would probably have been before the dwemer no? Also I thought Direnni Tower was placed There by divine beings, not mortals. While I will certainly accept that the Ayleids were not the first race to use magic, I cannot think of anyone else who would have done so out of the known mortal races.Br3admax wrote:Wiki says recorded. We wrote it that way for a reason. Also, Thu'um, it's older than the Alyeid race. So are the daedra. And many conflicts that use magic. Direnni Tower. Sorry, but the Alyeid weren't the first.

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Let's just say that the Nords never had peaceful relashionships with elves.Br3admax wrote:The Nords and the Dwmer never got along. Never. Almost all established lore, even the Greybeards, says that.


House of the Wolf wrote:According to lore, the Dwemer were able to telepathically communicate with each other over vast distances. Of course, through arcane-technology, they were able to accomplish such feats as translating an Elder Scroll, (apparently) utilize/contain one of Herma Mora's Black Books, among many others. They even provided the tools necessary to steal the divine essence from an extremely powerful god--though, that may have (allegedly) doomed them to instant-eradication from Mundus.
For such a powerful race, too, the Dwemer seemed to be able to maintain a general consensus--in comparison with the Ayleids who helped their own overthrow/extinction with constant infighting--meaning that they appear to have been able to maintain a significant social-strength/health, ergo being socially superior to nearly every other known race in existence (past and present).
As for as the Nords were concerned, they tried to conquer everyone/everything. The premise behind Lost to the Ages was that the Nords had actually sacked and conquered an entire Dwemer city (something not even the Chimer, at their peak, had come close to accomplishing--though the Nords had also conquered much of present-day Morrowind, with it much of Dwemer surface-territory, there is no other official indication that they had actually been able to take/hold Dwemer cities before this quest). But, the interactions almost always ended with the Dwemer using their machinations to beat back the Nordic hordes (often simply through the fear, alone, of the machinations themselves).

Definitely untrue. In Lost to the Ages, we learn that the Aetherium Wars led to a massive collapse of the Dwemer holdings in Skyrim, which in turn allowed for the Nordic invasion that you mentioned. The legendary Rourken clan is another example of unstable Dwemer politics - the entire clan left Morrowind and settled in desolate Volenfell simply to spite the First Council. Only House Dwemer of Morrowind seemed to have any kind of permanent alliance; all other Dwemer city-states appear to have been largely independent.House of the Wolf wrote:For such a powerful race, too, the Dwemer seemed to be able to maintain a general consensus--in comparison with the Ayleids who helped their own overthrow/extinction with constant infighting--meaning that they appear to have been able to maintain a significant social-strength/health, ergo being socially superior to nearly every other known race in existence (past and present).

