Government study shows MJs true potential as medicine

[HatofMadness]

Stuff

So, how's that novel you've been workin on?


oh and I didnt read much of that, but, take this how you will: "You seem to be a prime candidate for someone who could benefit from the relaxing effects of this Mj.

[Dark Lord Cam]

None of that made sense to me. How does a grown plant drug become more potent? Unless you mean to say that stuff got added to it, or that we simply measured it wrong.

I'm not a biologist, but plants don't just change like that, I think. I could be wrong.

[Spiney]

A lot of these points that I've seen said otherwise in other studies.

I can look through Google Scholar or any other database I have access to, to see arguments for either side saying opposite things.

Also, snip that bloody quote out of your post Hat.

[Frost Mage]

Myth 1: Marijuana is harmless.
Not so. Marijuana is more potent than
ever

What does that mean, "more potent than ever"?

It's been formulaically grown with the seeds of the strongest MJ they have at the time, with the end result of a more potent substance. Not to mention that a lot of the Marijuana distributed in the US is laced with a little bit of something.

[Wolf]

Myth 1: Marijuana is harmless.
Not so. Marijuana is more potent than
ever

What does that mean, "more potent than ever"?

try reading the post

"Marijuana is much stronger now than it was decades ago. According to data from the Potency Monitoring Project at the University of Mississippi, the tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) content of commercial-grade marijuana rose from an average of 3.71 percent in 1985 to an average of 5.57 percent in 1998. The average THC content of U.S. produced sinsemilla increased from 3.2 percent in 1977 to 12.8 percent in 1997.7 "

Sorry, I was thrown by the superlative-- something else I'm trained to sniff out. "Ever" can hardly be defined as "between 1985 and 1998".

[Ragnarok]

oh and I didnt read much of that, but, take this how you will: "You seem to be a prime candidate for someone who could benefit from the relaxing effects of this Mj.

been there, done that. got anything of any value to contribute? no? didn't think so ...

[Wolf]

oh and I didnt read much of that, but, take this how you will: "You seem to be a prime candidate for someone who could benefit from the relaxing effects of this Mj.

been there, done that. got anything of any value to contribute? no? didn't think so ...

Please remain calm, and keep your arms and legs in the thread at all times. Thank you.

[Ragnarok]

yeah, I've seen the arguments on both sides and the ones from the pro-pot side have been pretty well propagandized taking bits and pieces out of context and subtely twisting them to suggest the research is invalid or overstated.

[Dark Lord Cam]

Guys, cite your own sources, come on. Debate proper-like!

[HatofMadness]

oh and I didnt read much of that, but, take this how you will: "You seem to be a prime candidate for someone who could benefit from the relaxing effects of this Mj.

been there, done that.

Well then, sounds like your in denial of your addiction.
Going to the extremes to defend your sobriety.


Can't run forever man, can't run forever.

ok i'm done, carry on, i have nothing else to add to this thread.

I guess I learned the hero's journey isn't always a happy one

[Ragnarok]

dude, I haven't smoked pot in over 20 years ...

*edit*

the real question is why are you so desperate to shift the focus to me rather than dealing with the facts ...illegitimate form of attack ... get if from religionists all the time defending their god fix ... they're addicts too, and they always prefer to shoot the messenger too ... seems you two groups have a lot in common ...

[Wolf]

oh and I didnt read much of that, but, take this how you will: "You seem to be a prime candidate for someone who could benefit from the relaxing effects of this Mj.

been there, done that.

Well then, sounds like your in denial of your addiction.
Going to the extremes to defend your sobriety.


Can't run forever man, can't run forever.

I love you so much....


@Rag: You know what that research you pulled out sounds very nearly like in both effects of chronic use and addiction? Alcohol.

You know what it sounds like in the fact that over-use and chronic use have negative effects? Any substance on earth. I'm actually surprised at how low the statistics in your sources are.

[Ragnarok]

repost

dude, I haven't smoked pot in over 20 years ...

*edit*

the real question is why are you so desperate to shift the focus to me rather than dealing with the facts ...illegitimate form of attack ... get if from religionists all the time defending their god fix ... they're addicts too, and they always prefer to shoot the messenger too ... seems you two groups have a lot in common ...

[Spiney]

And hell, some of the effects just sounded like what its like to be high.

[Wolf]

repost

dude, I haven't smoked pot in over 20 years ...

*edit*

the real question is why are you so desperate to shift the focus to me rather than dealing with the facts ...illegitimate form of attack ... get if from religionists all the time defending their god fix ... they're addicts too, and they always prefer to shoot the messenger too ... seems you two groups have a lot in common ...

Oh my... I don't think I've ever seen anyone besides Doros immediately shoot himself in the face in one post.

Hypocrisy abounds, my friend.

[Frost Mage]

dude, I haven't smoked pot in over 20 years ...

*edit*

the real question is why are you so desperate to shift the focus to me rather than dealing with the facts ...illegitimate form of attack ... get if from religionists all the time defending their god fix ... they're addicts too, and they always prefer to shoot the messenger too ... seems you two groups have a lot in common ...

Is spewing youthful ignorance across the internet like me

[Ragnarok]

nice try again wolf, but the fact is there's little distinction between the research showing the negative effects of pot and other drugs like coke and heroine, as I already stated, so unless you plan to start arguing for every illicit drug, you don't really have a leg to stand on and you know it.

[HatofMadness]

Hold on...

These are just words. Right or wrong...they're just words..no problems over hurr

[Spiney]

I do like how the points go over the affects of overuse, and use in children.

Well herpa derp, the same could be said of Alcohol and smoking. If you wanna argue that point, by your logic, we outta ban those two substances too.

[Wolf]

nice try again wolf, but the fact is there's little distinction between the research showing the negative effects of pot and other drugs like coke and heroine, as I already stated, so unless you plan to start arguing for every illicit drug, you don't really have a leg to stand on and you know it.

What's funny about all this is that I'm not the one pointing out who has less to stand on by doing nothing but saying "you have less to stand on".

I think this is the part of the argument where things get cyclical, and I bow out.

Goodnight, all.

[Dark Lord Cam]

Guys come on. Debate. Don't just insult rag. Look up your own articles, or something.

[Ragnarok]

whatever ... asked for facts and got ... facts ... then try every trick in the book to avoid dealing with ... the facts ... keep performing all those cognitive acrobatics and mental gymnsatics to justify and rationalize your poison ...

*edit*

not to mention not one of you has posted ANYTHING to counter anything I posted ... sans opinion ...

[Wolf]

One more post before I go (I must be addicted):

"Correlation != Causation" is not an opinion.

[Rhyme Asylum]

Complete rebuttal of everything you proposed, could propose, or will propose. Notice how every source (except one) is from a scientific, peer-reviewed journal.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18332661
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16232311
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15964704
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16637053
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11949984
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17429350
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8121737
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16612464
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1957518
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14754822
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17712818
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16596784
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... nfo3.shtml
http://www.acsa2000.net/HealthAlert/rad ... bacco.html
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 7-3-17.pdf
http://www.pendulum.org/bpnews/archive/001628.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 3809704407
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 083353.htm
http://profdavidnutt.wordpress.com/2012 ... s-tobacco/

Since your evidence was a just copy-pasted from the sources, I thought I'd cut out the middle-man and just give you my sources directly. Have fun.

Edit: One link seems to be [&@%!] up. Just Google "Marijuana smoking and carcinoma of the tongue. Is there an association?" - it's the first hit.

[Wolf]

Honestly, this was all I was waiting for.

I'm too lazy to do what Morgan did, but I knew he wasn't.