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Reminds of the time KKK showed up at a WBC rally to counter protest, saying the WBC has no right to do this hate mongering.
Poor Klan. That's actually not all that surprising, since the "modern Klan"goes out of their way to make the organization as PC and kid-friendly as possible. It's "not about hate", according to their modern PR material; the SPLC's decades-long campaign of persecution and institutional aggression nearly eliminated the Klan, and now the survivors have to "make nice" lest the High Priests of Tolerance™ lynch them.

There might be a lesson in their somewhere, but who wants to learn it?

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I don't know about you, but where I come from, we call people who live in America and have African ancestry "African-Americans". We don't call British people "African-Americans". We call them Limeys. Maybe this is an issue back in the Magical Land of 2002, where Maddox lives, but not here. And this may come as a shock, but those black people you see in Jamaica and Haiti? No, they didn't evolve from very small coconuts found on the beaches of Kingston. They came from- believe it or not- Africa! If you want to split hairs, you could call them Afro-Carribeans, which we here in the modern world also do, or (again, if they live in America) Afro-Carribean-Americans... but I really don't think anyone cares too much if you just shorten it to African-Americans.

In conclusion, Maddox is stupid, and Web 1.0 is dead.
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America rules the world. So you're all American, you just don't realize it yet. /sarcasm
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DorostheConqueror wrote:And this may come as a shock, but those black people you see in Jamaica and Haiti? No, they didn't evolve from very small coconuts found on the beaches of Kingston. They came from- believe it or not- Africa! If you want to split hairs, you could call them Afro-Carribeans, which we here in the modern world also do, or (again, if they live in America) Afro-Carribean-Americans... but I really don't think anyone cares too much if you just shorten it to African-Americans.
Those black people are still African? Presumably you're referring to the origin of all human life... since it's trivial that not all black people in recent history have any parentage from Africa, unless you go to the very beginning. I suppose you could say that everyone is 'African' if you go back back far enough, but then by calling black people 'African Americans', and by omission of a similar name with 'African' in it for white people, the implication is otherwise. Oh, and even if you exclusively use the term to refer to black people in America, and never use it for people from the UK and such (from what I've experienced, this is not the case), the 'African' part is still absurd. How far back in time is it acceptable to go when trying to justify calling a black guy an African? 3 generations? 20 generations? Unless you want to pick an actual number, and then ask people about their family tree before deciding if they're African American or not, I imagine you'd go for one of the extremes.

If you go for one generation, then most black Americans aren't 'African Americans'. If you choose to pick the opposite extreme, then the 'African' part of the term is a meaningless filler, since everyone comes from Africa. Why is making assumptions about a person's heritage more acceptable than just calling them black?
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Technically, they should be brown...
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I'm not actually 'white', sir. I'm more of a very pale cream.

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Rhyme Asylum wrote:If you go for one generation, then most black American's aren't 'African Americans'. If you choose to pick the opposite extreme, then the 'African' part of the term is a meaningless filler, since everyone comes from Africa. Why is making assumptions about a person's heritage more acceptable than just calling them black?
I don't think the average person who uses the term "African American" means to say anything about heritage--it's used synonymously with "black." Which is why I don't even bother and just say "black" or "white" if that's what mean. For what it's worth, I find it somewhat annoying when people call me "caucasian" when they really mean "white."
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Yeah, that was pretty much my point. If 'African American' isn't just a synonym for 'black', then you're making assumptions about that person's heritage simply by the definition of the term, and then you run into consistency problems. If it is just a synonym for black (which it is), I don't see why people don't just say it. You could take offense to both terms (if you're unreasonable), but at least calling someone black isn't presumptuous and often wrong; it's an observation.
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When I was in the editing business, I remember having to use "black" as opposed to "African-American" in certain styles so I didn't assume every black person was of African origin. Curious, how some styles handle themselves like that.

Being black or white is strictly cultural...but that is a whole different topic.
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In the old days, the word Negro was polite and Black was seen as offensive. I find it stupid, because both words mean the same damn thing.
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I've always been partial to the term colored: it savors of genuine old-fashioned Southern gentility. Its plural, coloreds, doesn't quite roll off the tongue in the same way.
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Presumably you're referring to the origin of all human life
Uh, no, actually. If I was doing that, then, seeing as we all evolved from very small reptiles living in the stagnant swamps of Pangea, I'd be calling EVERYONE "Pangean Americans".

See, there's this thing called vernacular language. That is to say, the words and phrases "we"- the common man- use in every day speech, whose meaning may or may not conform directly to potential logical, or, in this case, technical/specialized meanings of the words. Yes, yes, splitting hairs about "Africans". Very cute. I'm surprised you're not trying to be difficult about the word "American", either (but but but, why are only people from the US Americans? Aren't Mexicans and Canadians American, too? *feigned puzzlement*)

But since you asked, I'll answer. How far back in time is it acceptable to go? However long it takes to identify the first common non-New World ancestor of the person in question, or perhaps, the first DOMINANT ancestor with whom the person in question would identify or be identified with (by the "average person") culturally and ethnically. This naming scheme isn't limited to Africans-Americans, either; it's a common feature across all groups within the English language. We identify people as belonging to other groups, such as "Italian-Americans", "Arab-Americans", "Native-Americans" (who, again splitting semantic hairs, aren't actually "native" to the continent at all, but are rather descendents of a number of waves of Asiatic immigrant groups). This is why, for example, my friend Ryan strongly identifies as an Irish-American, despite his family having lived here in the States for four generations. If you can't understand this and think it's silly or wrong, well, I guess that's your prerogative. By all means, next Saint Patrick's Day, go out and tell everyone you meet why you think folks shouldn't be called Irish-Americans.


Another thing you've got to understand is the sociological aspect of African-American-ness. The term "African-American" is often viewed as a "politically correct" one; that is to say, a descriptive phrase specifically condoned by the progressive sociopolitical establishment. This may sound like a pejorative analysis, but it's also quite accurate. "African-American" gained currency as the preferred term to be used when speaking about "blacks" back in the 60s and 70s because it was the term preferred by radical black academics and community leaders. Can't really blame them, since at that time, most people called blacks "coloreds", coons", and "a word my mother wouldn't appreciate me saying, likely"! "African" was a key word- many of these blacks sought to reclaim "their" heritage, their authentic, pre-colonial heritage, one not marred by centuries of slavery and white cultural imperialism. You could argue that "African-Americans" really have little in common with true Africans, and aside from genetics/skin-tone, are more European than African. Nevertheless, in the wake of the civil rights era, it became extremely important for black intellectuals to emphasize their African origins, and to encourage their less-well read brothers to do the same.

In other words, if you've got a problem with African-Americans being called African-Americans, you should probably go take it up with them. Here's some contact info for the King of Black People. I'm sure he'd love to hear your thoughts on the matter!
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DorostheConqueror wrote:But since you asked, I'll answer. How far back in time is it acceptable to go? However long it takes to identify the first common non-New World ancestor of the person in question, or perhaps, the first DOMINANT ancestor with whom the person in question would identify or be identified with (by the "average person") culturally and ethnically. This naming scheme isn't limited to Africans-Americans, either; it's a common feature across all groups within the English language. We identify people as belonging to other groups, such as "Italian-Americans", "Arab-Americans", "Native-Americans" (who, again splitting semantic hairs, aren't actually "native" to the continent at all, but are rather descendents of a number of waves of Asiatic immigrant groups). This is why, for example, my friend Ryan strongly identifies as an Irish-American, despite his family having lived here in the States for four generations. If you can't understand this and think it's silly or wrong, well, I guess that's your prerogative. By all means, next Saint Patrick's Day, go out and tell everyone you meet why you think folks shouldn't be called Irish-Americans.
You seem to have missed the point. The term 'Irish-American' is about heritage, as the name implies. It's not a blanket-term used to describe any American who looks Irish. If someone is not American, and does not have Irish blood, they are not Irish-American. This is not the case for African-Americans, and that is why I have a problem with it. It is completely synonymous with 'black', and is used irrespective of any knowledge about a person's ancestry. There's not much more I have to say on the matter - I kinda repeated myself in the last two posts anyway.
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DorostheConqueror wrote:But since you asked, I'll answer. How far back in time is it acceptable to go? However long it takes to identify the first common non-New World ancestor of the person in question, or perhaps, the first DOMINANT ancestor with whom the person in question would identify or be identified with (by the "average person") culturally and ethnically. This naming scheme isn't limited to Africans-Americans, either; it's a common feature across all groups within the English language. We identify people as belonging to other groups, such as "Italian-Americans", "Arab-Americans", "Native-Americans" (who, again splitting semantic hairs, aren't actually "native" to the continent at all, but are rather descendents of a number of waves of Asiatic immigrant groups). This is why, for example, my friend Ryan strongly identifies as an Irish-American, despite his family having lived here in the States for four generations. If you can't understand this and think it's silly or wrong, well, I guess that's your prerogative. By all means, next Saint Patrick's Day, go out and tell everyone you meet why you think folks shouldn't be called Irish-Americans.
You seem to have missed the point. The term 'Irish-American' is about heritage, as the name implies. It's not a blanket-term used to describe any American who looks Irish. If someone is not American, and does not have Irish blood, they are not Irish-American. This is not the case for African-Americans, and that is why I have a problem with it. It is completely synonymous with 'black', and is used irrespective of any knowledge about a person's ancestry. There's not much more I have to say on the matter - I kinda repeated myself in the last two posts anyway.
Except it IS about ancestry. Where else did "African-Americans" come from, if not Africa? Last I checked, there weren't too many black people native to Sweden or China. Sure, you might mistake an Aborigine for an African, if you weren't really paying attention, but how many times do you see Aboriginals A- coming to America and B- being mislabeled as "African-Americans", instead of the proper term, "Kangaroo-American"?

Are you upset because the term isn't more specific? I.e. "Nigerian-American" or "Swahili-American"? Or do you believe that there were tribes of black-skinned Danes, roaming the grasslands of Scandinavia, before being enslaved by the Europeans and carted off to the sugar mines of Hispaniola? I'm not being sarcastic, not completely anyway, because I do know some racist African-Americans who genuinely believe that black-skinned people inhabited all of the known world and were responsible for every major cultural and technological achievement of European and Asian society.
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Really? I've always heard of these mysterious people, but have never seen one. A rare sight indeed my friend, call National Geographics it's time for Taboo.
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DorostheConqueror wrote:Except it IS about ancestry. Where else did "African-Americans" come from, if not Africa? Last I checked, there weren't too many black people native to Sweden or China. Sure, you might mistake an Aborigine for an African, if you weren't really paying attention, but how many times do you see Aboriginals A- coming to America and B- being mislabeled as "African-Americans", instead of the proper term, "Kangaroo-American"?

Are you upset because the term isn't more specific? I.e. "Nigerian-American" or "Swahili-American"? Or do you believe that there were tribes of black-skinned Danes, roaming the grasslands of Scandinavia, before being enslaved by the Europeans and carted off to the sugar mines of Hispaniola? I'm not being sarcastic, not completely anyway, because I do know some racist African-Americans who genuinely believe that black-skinned people inhabited all of the known world and were responsible for every major cultural and technological achievement of European and Asian society.
I'm not upset about it, I just think it's an inaccurate term. Do you think that all people who get called 'African-American' actually have African heritage? Do you think white people from Africa who live in America get called 'African-Americans' as well? Of course not, because it isn't about ancestry, and is just a synonym for 'black. 'African-American' may have originally started as a term used only for people who actually have African ancestors, and who want to cling onto their heritage, but it's certainly not the case now. It was probably invented as a 'black pride' or empowerment phrase, to attempt to offset the racism against blacks in that time period, but things have undoubtedly changed. An example on our very forum that it's often used incorrectly? Look at what the censor turns the N word into.
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I think black actually meabs sub-saharen, lets call it people-of-sub-saharen-desent-who-may-or-may-not-be-American. I'm black and o.k. with it, and you know my opinion represents everyone. :mrgreen:
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Let's just call everyone Redguards and be done with it.

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Spoiler:
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Apparently I'm a nobody :cry:
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Wait, what?

Nzuri Ngono and Hasira Upanga would disagree with The Loner
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Daaawww I'm sorry Deandra.
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I like Redguards.
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