What music do you love?

ArotosMarkos · Post by **ArotosMarkos** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:32 am

Well, anyways. I love one genre of music.
How can you say no to this face?

(Click the picture!)

r · Post by r » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:34 pm

Good call. The Beatles invented music.

Shadowsforu · Post by **Shadowsforu** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 4:52 pm

Ok, I'm a guy, That will ONLY listen to Avril Lavigne.... This sounds weird... But hey! Most girls, when I tell them that, start laughing and talking a million miles an hour... and then I get weird comments on myspace saying that they can't believe a guy would listen to it...

I don't know, There's Something about Avril's music I can connect to... Inspiring for poetry mostly...

btw If anyone cares, my myspace is www.myspace.com/shadowsforu

DorostheConqueror · Post by **DorostheConqueror** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 5:16 pm

Avril is pure punk.

r · Post by r » Sat Jan 19, 2008 6:58 pm

DorostheConqueror wrote:Avril is pure punk.

I would tell you everything that's wrong with that statement, but most PHPBB systems have a 20,000-character limit per post and I don't want to run the risk.

Тeatime · Post by **Тeatime** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 7:11 pm

I love several musicals, Les Miserables, The Phantom of the Opera, CATS, Spamalot, Evita and Lestat. Not the easiest kind of music to love when you live in the cultural wasteland that is Sweden... Whenever I try to talk to someone about my kind of music they usually just give me a blank stare

It's almost enough to make you chew your own foot of...
From my dad I've also gained a liking for Deep Purple, Queen and Scorpions.

DorostheConqueror · Post by **DorostheConqueror** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:09 pm

r wrote:
DorostheConqueror wrote:Avril is pure punk.
I would tell you everything that's wrong with that statement, but most PHPBB systems have a 20,000-character limit per post and I don't want to run the risk.

And I can tell you everything that's right with it.

Here's a question for you: what's the root of punk music? At it's core, what is punk music "about"? It's not about wearing tight jeans, it's not about playing three chords, it's not about being a Socialist (sorry, Jello) or being a Nazi (sorry, Ian) or anything like that. At it's heart, the common thread beneath all "real" punk music, is the simple ability to [&@%!] people off.

That's it. Ever since the Gender Pistols carefully crafted their sneering swagger to market music through controversy to disaffected British teens, punk music has been about offending people and making a scene. Now, of course, punk's become so ubiquitous and social mores have loosened so much that what used to offend merely bores these days, but real punk music still at least tries to be a cheeky pain in the ass. Right?

And now look what happens when someone mentions Avril Lavigne. Operation Ivy? Oh sure, I love them. The Ramones? Yeah man, those were the days, good times. AVRIL LAVIGNE?!?! OH MY GOD!!!!

The room explodes, "cool" kids wring their hands in agony, Avril flutters her eyelashes innocently, and the ghostly spectre of Sid Vicious is standing behind her, beeming with pride.

Avril isn't punk in the sense that she follows her idols religiously, doing the same old things what her parents did a generation ago. But that was never the point of punk in the first place, now was it? She's got MAJOR balls, more balls than anyone I can think of- playing manufactured pop music and calling it punk makes Weezer's ironic use of heavy metal imagery look downright lame. And she does what no one, no one in the history of edgy, angsty pop music has done before: she offends the very people who should be above taking offensive. She punks the punks, which earns her the crown as the Reigning Queen of Punk.

Anfauglith126 · Post by **Anfauglith126** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:14 pm

Sally Oldfield.

r · Post by r » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:39 pm

DorostheConqueror wrote:
r wrote:
DorostheConqueror wrote:Avril is pure punk.
I would tell you everything that's wrong with that statement, but most PHPBB systems have a 20,000-character limit per post and I don't want to run the risk.
And I can tell you everything that's right with it.

Here's a question for you: what's the root of punk music? At it's core, what is punk music "about"? It's not about wearing tight jeans, it's not about playing three chords, it's not about being a Socialist (sorry, Jello) or being a Nazi (sorry, Ian) or anything like that. At it's heart, the common thread beneath all "real" punk music, is the simple ability to [&@%!] people off.

That's it. Ever since the Gender Pistols carefully crafted their sneering swagger to market music through controversy to disaffected British teens, punk music has been about offending people and making a scene. Now, of course, punk's become so ubiquitous and social mores have loosened so much that what used to offend merely bores these days, but real punk music still at least tries to be a cheeky pain in the ass. Right?

And now look what happens when someone mentions Avril Lavigne. Operation Ivy? Oh sure, I love them. The Ramones? Yeah man, those were the days, good times. AVRIL LAVIGNE?!?! OH MY GOD!!!! The room explodes, "cool" kids wring their hands in agony, Avril flutters her eyelashes innocently, and the ghostly spectre of Sid Vicious is standing behind her, beeming with pride.

Avril isn't punk in the sense that she follows her idols religiously, doing the same old things what her parents did a generation ago. But that was never the point of punk in the first place, now was it? She's got MAJOR balls, more balls than anyone I can think of- playing manufactured pop music and calling it punk makes Weezer's ironic use of heavy metal imagery look downright lame. And she does what no one, no one in the history of edgy, angsty pop music has done before: she offends the very people who should be above taking offensive. She punks the punks, which earns her the crown as the Reigning Queen of Punk.

Which Avril Lavigne fansite did you copy and paste that from, then? And with this...

"She's got MAJOR balls, more balls than anyone I can think of- playing manufactured pop music and calling it punk"

That's not punk. That's trying to pass yourself off as something you are not. She's an airbrushed attention-seeker singing songs someone else has written for her, over pop with guitars in it which she passes off as 'punk'.

Yes, punk may be about making statements against establishment, but simply saying you play a genre of music when you do not is not really making a statement. And Keane and James Blunt offend a lot of people by being so middle-of-the-road that they are nothing more than the musical equivalent of a central reservation, yet they've sold lots of records and have lots of money. So, are Keane a punk band? Of course they're not.

DorostheConqueror · Post by **DorostheConqueror** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:17 pm

Which Avril Lavigne fansite did you copy and paste that from, then?

Which fansite? Doros-Brain.com, the best darn fan site on Earth!

That's not punk. That's trying to pass yourself off as something you are not.

And who says it's not? What makes her "not punk"? Because she doesn't sound exactly like bands from her parent's generation? I'm honestly curious here; the only reasons I've seen so far for not admitting that Avril is punk are either that she's a marketing gimmick (which is perfect, because punk STARTED as a marketing gimmick, and that's never really changed) or she doesn't have the "right sound", which is just plain silly coming from a musical style which allegedly thumbs it's nose at convention.

Now granted, no one ever accused punk music fans of being consistent and sticking to their values, but I'm an optimist by nature, and I doubt there's anyone like that here on UESP.

Yes, punk may be about making statements against establishment, but simply saying you play a genre of music when you do not is not really making a statement.

It is when the point is to offend the Man. By claiming she's punk, she outpunks the punks, it's as simple as that! As for Keane, I've never heard them before. Does Keane claim to be a punk band? And does this claim cause conservative punk music fans still stuck in 1979 to blow their gaskets like a nun at a New York Dolls show? If so, then yes. I'd say they are punk, and fit to join the Holy Trinity of SP, Avril, and Wesley Willis.

r · Post by r » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:27 pm

Avril Lavigne =/= punk. I'm doing a music degree, I know these things. But I know you're going to keep trying to persuade me otherwise, I'm just not going to listen anymore.

DorostheConqueror · Post by **DorostheConqueror** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:31 pm

r wrote:Avril Lavigne =/= punk. I'm doing a music degree, I know these things. But I know you're going to keep trying to persuade me otherwise, I'm just not going to listen anymore.

I stated my case, anyone can see it's solid, do with it what you will. I've already persuaded you, my friend. I know, I was once like you. It took me weeks after my initial epiphany to finally accept Avril's status as the Punk Rokk Messiah. So all that remains now is for you to finally admit it to yourself.

Sigurd · Post by **Sigurd** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:31 am

Metal. Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, all of it.

The Tourist · Post by **The Tourist** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:34 am

I don't want to get on the bad side of you, r, but doing a music degree is about as conformist a thing as you could possibly get; not saying it's a bad thing, it's fine - some of my 'most favouritist' artists came from art school or somesuch. And Thom Yorke, in a rebuke to a comment from one of the Gallagher brothers (about 'going to chuffin' art school', probably) replied that "I did - and it tought me to respect other artists".

As for punk? Well, generally it's so low down on my radar of music I want to listen to that it barely registers (it's not my cup of tea), so thankfully I can't join in with the semantics of what and what isn't 'punk'. Other than to say I like the best genre out there; it's called Music, and it has a great breadth of sounds and intentions. Why chop it all up into boxes?

Compartmentalisation is all well and good for a civil society, but at the personal level - especially with creative stuff - it's just better to smash up those boxes, stomp all over them, and continue on your very merry individual way. Or; mix a whole lot of boxes up, then break 'em...

Much more fun than looking at their myriad labels, and climbing into them, saying; "hey, I'm in Box A1! It's the best!". And I know I couldn't quite cope without the box named Ultra Mainstream Pop in my collection.

DorostheConqueror; Keane are just a very, very snoresome band... like Coldplay, but worse (their polite middle class lead singer even had a little 'rock and roll' with drugs - which was embarrassing).

Avril Lavigne, however; a couple of her chorus melodies have stuck in my head over the years. And that's about it. And she's cute. Nuff sed.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:50 pm

There used to be two topics you (should) never discuss with Friends and Family: Religion & Politicts.

Now you have to add music to it. Why? Becasue there is no clear cut line for any of the Genre's. We have basically run out of new names for new music Genre's.., so we have to recycle. Punk, Surf Punk, Skater Punk, Punk Punk...

Music ties into the time period that it came from. What was happening Socially, Politicially, Religiously... You can not resurrect something, without all of those pieces in place.

What would have happened to Janis Jopplin, if she was born 20 years later. Trying to be Janis from the 60's, in the 80's. Janis did not make Janis, the 60's, Drugs, Vietnam, ect... made Janis. (nothing against Janis, just making a point).

DorostheConqueror · Post by **DorostheConqueror** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:43 pm

Jeff wrote:What would have happened to Janis Jopplin, if she was born 20 years later.

Something like this, I'd expect.

Shadowsforu · Post by **Shadowsforu** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:24 pm

DorostheConqueror wrote:
r wrote:
DorostheConqueror wrote:Avril is pure punk.
I would tell you everything that's wrong with that statement, but most PHPBB systems have a 20,000-character limit per post and I don't want to run the risk.
And I can tell you everything that's right with it.

Here's a question for you: what's the root of punk music? At it's core, what is punk music "about"? It's not about wearing tight jeans, it's not about playing three chords, it's not about being a Socialist (sorry, Jello) or being a Nazi (sorry, Ian) or anything like that. At it's heart, the common thread beneath all "real" punk music, is the simple ability to [&@%!] people off.

That's it. Ever since the Gender Pistols carefully crafted their sneering swagger to market music through controversy to disaffected British teens, punk music has been about offending people and making a scene. Now, of course, punk's become so ubiquitous and social mores have loosened so much that what used to offend merely bores these days, but real punk music still at least tries to be a cheeky pain in the ass. Right?

And now look what happens when someone mentions Avril Lavigne. Operation Ivy? Oh sure, I love them. The Ramones? Yeah man, those were the days, good times. AVRIL LAVIGNE?!?! OH MY GOD!!!! The room explodes, "cool" kids wring their hands in agony, Avril flutters her eyelashes innocently, and the ghostly spectre of Sid Vicious is standing behind her, beeming with pride.

Avril isn't punk in the sense that she follows her idols religiously, doing the same old things what her parents did a generation ago. But that was never the point of punk in the first place, now was it? She's got MAJOR balls, more balls than anyone I can think of- playing manufactured pop music and calling it punk makes Weezer's ironic use of heavy metal imagery look downright lame. And she does what no one, no one in the history of edgy, angsty pop music has done before: she offends the very people who should be above taking offensive. She punks the punks, which earns her the crown as the Reigning Queen of Punk.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but, I agree....

Ayoub · Post by **Ayoub** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 4:51 pm

Has nobody noticed that the 'person' who started this thread is a spambot? A creative spambot who can spark a discussion in several syllables, but a spambot nonetheless?

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:41 pm

Yes, I knew immediately. They were dealt with. However, when I noticed the topic, others had already replied, and it looked like it could go somewhere. ...and yes, we do/did have several "Similar" music topics.

99.99% of the Spam Topics, only lead to Flaming of the Bot, which is useless, thus they are locked & deleted.

The Tourist · Post by **The Tourist** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 7:53 pm

Oh, boy! A religious debate! They're one of my faves..

Jeff; we clearly don't and will never live in an ideal world, so maybe you're correct in that, essentially, my take on music is obviously completely personal, and wouldn't/couldn't function on a more collective level (it certainly wouldn't work on a business level).

But speaking for my lonesome, so to explique a little more; I don't see music in words/boxes. When people ask me what kind of music I make, I don't get out a pre-prepared essay going into detail of all the roots and lineages of the many things that have influenced me. I don't do 'rock', or 'folk', or anything (um.. except electronica, which really couldn't sound like anything else in its straight-ahead forms.. ).

Genres just make things worse. I've demoed my stuff to favourable responses a few years ago, but if I really intended to get 'signed' - or rather market myself online - granted, to a degree I'd be forced into lowering my personal standards to better 'describe' stuff.

It's a familiar case, growing up with a varied musical soundcape, but when I were a young'un I didn't really put barriers and boxes between Beethoven, Hendrix or Burl Ives - I knew I just liked noise coming into my ears. And artistis who are so obsessed with labelling themselves, I just don't trust; I don't see the benefit in simply glueing a whole bunch of post-prog-nu-rock-country-classic-bop words together to form... what?

To me music/noise is an evolutionary thing, it must develop and expand, and personally speaking - as that's all anyone can do - the process isn't helped by nonsensical genre definitions. Here's a genre I do like; beautiful (Joanna Newsom's Swansea). And another genre I'm rather fond of; fast-loud (Squarepusher's Tundra). Now what more do I get if I called one 'nu-alt-country-folk' and the other 'drum & bass'?

Words are great, but they complicate and hinder as many things as they help.

(um.. mini rant over.. )

weka · Post by **weka** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:10 pm

The Tourist wrote:...Now what more do I get if I called one 'nu-alt-country-folk' and the other 'drum & bass'?...

*best Jeremy Paxman voice* 5 bonus points per genre.

So do we get to hear some of your music??

The Tourist · Post by **The Tourist** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:12 am

weka; I haven't got any of my (solo or duo) stuff on any website, because I haven't tried to figure out how I'd go about doing that. It all seems rather complicated (I don't have a FaceMyBookSpace page yet). I've backed-up all the stuff I/we care about on cd, but that's where it all lives for now. And in mini-disks. And on tapes. And on hard-drives.. (we had 'organisational issues'

)

(it's mostly very nice acousticy/pianoy/stuff with some vocals and then without vocals. but beats and samples are in embedded into my soul also, so i'd be just as happy making straight ahead beats to make people shake their variously sized asses to, as with being acoustically melodic. i just need more kit. which means more money... )

...say, does anyone want to rob some banks with me across the green fields & grey citites of England? If so, plan it, and I might join in. Surely a life of crime must pay!

weka · Post by **weka** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:16 am

The Tourist wrote:...Surely a life of crime must pay!

Isn't the biggest crime just living in these "grey cities"?!

The Tourist · Post by **The Tourist** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:22 am

Well, I live in a Mildly Grey & Green Town. Which isn't as bad.
I live near a bowling green, a river, and I can hear the church bells do their thang. Quaint, one could say.. boring, one could also say.

weka · Post by **weka** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 6:19 am

Nice one could also say!

I live nr a river too, and a proper cricket green, and there is def quite alot of the Green rather than the Grey here too. Pity I don't work just around the corner as well as live here!