Price and DLC discussion

[Wolfie]

Well ok but most pepole seemd down right ticked off.

As for the DLC, They dont even know (so they say) what it is going to be yet
so my best os a few months after its out

[OblivionDuruza]

People aren't annoyed about waiting a month, that's nothing in the lifetime of a game like Skyrim, it's more that Microsoft has this relationship with Bethesda, that really limits other companies. Morrowind being the key example, whereby an agreement that it only be released on Microsoft consoles/OS' was basically reached, and with Oblivion whereby the PS3 was only included later because Beth wanted to make use of its release.

Consumers like competition, in fact there are laws preventing monopolies in many industries and areas as a result.

[giskard]

People aren't annoyed about waiting a month, that's nothing in the lifetime of a game like Skyrim, it's more that Microsoft has this relationship with Bethesda, that really limits other companies. Morrowind being the key example, whereby an agreement that it only be released on Microsoft consoles/OS' was basically reached, and with Oblivion whereby the PS3 was only included later because Beth wanted to make use of its release.

Consumers like competition, in fact there are laws preventing monopolies in many industries and areas as a result.

Yes I agree totally with you there, unfortunately in the world of capitalism, making sure you get the money and nobody else is the golden rule.
The very idea of a free market in capitalist country is often a bad joke, there are always rules, agreements, laws that make it anything but a free market and it is always the end user that suffers.

Its the old "power corrupts completely" issue.

I have always believed its better to release to all platforms at the same time and let the customer choose which platform he or she wants to own. Mind you, if microsoft did that from the start, Windows would not have been the dominant OS because there where better OS's out there that would have risen to the surface instead.

[scott_92]

People aren't annoyed about waiting a month, that's nothing in the lifetime of a game like Skyrim, it's more that Microsoft has this relationship with Bethesda, that really limits other companies. Morrowind being the key example, whereby an agreement that it only be released on Microsoft consoles/OS' was basically reached, and with Oblivion whereby the PS3 was only included later because Beth wanted to make use of its release.

Consumers like competition, in fact there are laws preventing monopolies in many industries and areas as a result.

Yes I agree totally with you there, unfortunately in the world of capitalism, making sure you get the money and nobody else is the golden rule.
The very idea of a free market in capitalist country is often a bad joke, there are always rules, agreements, laws that make it anything but a free market and it is always the end user that suffers.

Its the old "power corrupts completely" issue.

I have always believed its better to release to all platforms at the same time and let the customer choose which platform he or she wants to own. Mind you, if microsoft did that from the start, Windows would not have been the dominant OS because there where better OS's out there that would have risen to the surface instead.

Being a Ps3 owner i am annoyed at this Microsoft-Bethesda agreement as i am paying the same price for the game as xbox owners and getting less back. But i dont believe for a second that Sony wouldn't make a deal like this if they had the chance. (they did it with LA Noire)

[OblivionDuruza]

Most definitely, all companies are at each others' throats. That's greta for competition when it means they try to give consumers better deals in order to win sales, it's a pain when they do things that restrict other consumers. Still, 30 days isn't a lot, as I mentioned earlier, and besides, it means that we'll know a little more about the DLC before we rush out and buy it.

[POMC S117]

Can we stop talking about Console vs PC, Xbox vs PC and PS3, capitalism and other companies and get back to discussing DLC's?

[legoless]

Still, 30 days isn't a lot, as I mentioned earlier, and besides, it means that we'll know a little more about the DLC before we rush out and buy it.

Yes, but I'll be buying it regardless, so the only effect the exclusivity will have will be to allow spoilers to leak onto the Internet and to make me irritated.

[giskard]

Until they say something about the DLCS all we do know is the first 2 are being released on the Xbox 30 days before any other platform. So it is hard to avoid talking about that since its all we know about them.

[Wolfie]

The good news is that those saying it would be on the disk will most likely be wrong.
If they dont know what to do yet I find it hard to see them getting it done in less then 3 months

[Scarlett_Nightmare]

At Eb Games Skyrim is $108 for consoles and $88 for PC.

[Wolfie]

Not majoir improant but just want to point out the above user was shown this was not true, its 60$ so no need to worry.

[videogmer314]

Not majoir improant but just want to point out the above user was shown this was not true, its 60$ so no need to worry.

The person above you is talking about the Australian prices.

[Wolfie]

Fair enough, he never stated he was form there and when we showed him prices he never siad anything eitger


either way there are other stores that sell it for chepper there (reading thrads bbout it)

[Wolfie]

Si?

Dlc and exspasions are the same thing in theroy....
what do you think the difricne is
?

[videogmer314]

Dlc and exspasions are the same thing in theroy....
what do you think the difricne is
?

Size. It's the difference between a new area or a new questline (Fighter's Stronghold, KotN, etc.) and a region large enough to fit numerous cities and villages, each with their own quests, in addition to a main quest line (Shivering Isles).

[Wolfie]

Is that real or just your ophion?
there is nothing that says either way corect? is it a real term or is that how you define it?

[MARS]

DLC = Plug-ins and expansions. Plug-ins are small additions to the game (Spell Tomes, Wizard's Tower) while expansions are larger additions like new areas, long questlines, new factions etc.

[legoless]

DLC = Plug-ins and expansions. Plug-ins are small additions to the game (Spell Tomes, Wizard's Tower) while expansions are larger additions like new areas, long questlines, new factions etc.

A downloadable expansion? Wouldn't want to have a poor Internet connection...

[Haravikk]

I'm hoping that Bethesda sticks to their promise of having fewer, bigger DLC add-ons, as the 30-day release window will be pretty cheap if the first two DLC are just crummy items or such.
The DLC should really be things at least the same kind of size as the Knights of the Nine (but with truly all-new dungeons). Any new items they want to include should come as part of one of these expansions.

With a bit of luck, houses will be better handled in Skyrim, so there want be as much need for add-on homes. But they could do it as a bigger pack containing a variety of houses, accessible via optional, but hopefully more interesting, side-quests that you actually have to find after being approached by an NPC or such to point you in the right direction. I didn't like being bombarded with quests due to having lots of DLC installed; more of it should require discovery, or have proper NPC lead-ins rather than you somehow getting a letter while escaping through the Imperial City sewers…

[Wolfie]

DLC = Plug-ins and expansions. Plug-ins are small additions to the game (Spell Tomes, Wizard's Tower) while expansions are larger additions like new areas, long questlines, new factions etc.

That was my line of thinking, and yes speakign as a guy with slow internet it can suck to downlaod

[legoless]

I'm hoping that Bethesda sticks to their promise of having fewer, bigger DLC add-ons, as the 30-day release window will be pretty cheap if the first two DLC are just crummy items or such.
The DLC should really be things at least the same kind of size as the Knights of the Nine (but with truly all-new dungeons). Any new items they want to include should come as part of one of these expansions.

With a bit of luck, houses will be better handled in Skyrim, so there want be as much need for add-on homes. But they could do it as a bigger pack containing a variety of houses, accessible via optional, but hopefully more interesting, side-quests that you actually have to find after being approached by an NPC or such to point you in the right direction. I didn't like being bombarded with quests due to having lots of DLC installed; more of it should require discovery, or have proper NPC lead-ins rather than you somehow getting a letter while escaping through the Imperial City sewers…

Personally, I'd prefer it if they made full expansion packs rather than large plug-ins.

[Haravikk]

Personally, I'd prefer it if they made full expansion packs rather than large plug-ins.

Huh? Any distinction is academic given that a big plug-in these days essentially is an "expansion pack" as they're one and the same thing when it comes down to it. If what you mean is you'd rather see quests added within a new environment rather than large adventures still set within Skyrim then sure, I'm hoping for at least one such DLC, but I'd be happy with both that and a Knights of the Nine size plugin, but with properly crafted dungeons and added location (i.e - not just more of the same), so it'd be in Skyrim, but visiting some unique and interesting new areas within it that were previously inaccessible, or hidden within some kind of dungeon network.

[legoless]

Fully fleshed-out expansions similar to Bloodmoon or Shivering Isles would be much more preferable to a smaller plug-in like Point Lookout. I can appreciate the plug-ins, but I'd rather more work put into a single DLC than into a couple smaller ones.

[AddictedtoMorrowind]

Yeah, I'd like a full-fledged expansion, like The Conquerors for AOEII.