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They'd almost get it more trouble for not including it (homosexual relations) than they would including it.
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TheNightFather wrote:Fair enough. I can think of three good reasons.Blackfire wrote:If someone can make an argument better than "I LOOV S3333X....."
1) Realism:
Even if the character doesn't engage in sexual activities themselves, sex happens. There are kids in the world. It would be stupid to not portray sex in some manner in the game, and game breaking not to allow the character to participate.
2)Roleplaying:
Like it or not, some people have odd roleplays. While I personally do not dream of Bretons in Leather Armor (maybe a Dunmer, but that's it), some people probably do, or would at least like their character too. And Bethesda has always catered to the weirder sides of fans roleplaying.
3)Maturity:
The game is already M (18's here). It already contains drugs, violence, and will likely contain (albeit Cyrodillic) swearing. It would be silly (not to mention hypocritical) to not include some sexually explicit scenes.
THAT BEING SAID: I personally don't care about these features. I'm simply arguing for the sake of arguing, and just really, really, really want Skyrim.
FINALLY! A decent argument on this topic.
While I do agree with everything you say, there are other reasons why I would not like it in elder scrolls. It is just my opinion, but I have never seen one point of view on the subject that can actually be conversed on.

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Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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If heterosexual relationships feature, why shouldn't homosexual relationships feature? I'm pretty sure Dunmer females are notorious for being bisexual. Someone more read up in the Real Barenziah would know, but I'm pretty sure she mentions it. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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I read it. There was a lot of promiscuity... A lot... But no homosexuality. However, I agree that I've heard that before somewhere.
Or maybe it was in, and I'm just remembering wrong... Whatever.
Or maybe it was in, and I'm just remembering wrong... Whatever.
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If I remember correctly, she offered (or was offered), but it didn't actually happen. I know that there was mentions of threesomes.LtGt72 wrote:I read it. There was a lot of promiscuity... A lot... But no homosexuality. However, I agree that I've heard that before somewhere.
Or maybe it was in, and I'm just remembering wrong... Whatever.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.TheNightFather wrote:If heterosexual relationships feature, why shouldn't homosexual relationships feature? I'm pretty sure Dunmer females are notorious for being bisexual. Someone more read up in the Real Barenziah would know, but I'm pretty sure she mentions it. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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That's all well and good but if you are a gay male then it will appeal-Dovahkiin- wrote:We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.TheNightFather wrote:If heterosexual relationships feature, why shouldn't homosexual relationships feature? I'm pretty sure Dunmer females are notorious for being bisexual. Someone more read up in the Real Barenziah would know, but I'm pretty sure she mentions it. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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See, now, that's what we in the industry call "You being uncomfortable with it". The general solution is for you to take a chill pill, and ignore it. Some people want it, some people won't bother with it. So don't.-Dovahkiin- wrote:We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.TheNightFather wrote:If heterosexual relationships feature, why shouldn't homosexual relationships feature? I'm pretty sure Dunmer females are notorious for being bisexual. Someone more read up in the Real Barenziah would know, but I'm pretty sure she mentions it. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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I could be uncomfortable with it, against it or just love it, yeah ill just leave the assumptions to you. Just lets keep Skyrim's inhabitant's sexual orientation straight like the previous title's and lore, Atleast in the male area, i don't want to have to start a bar fight because some dude tried grabbing my junk,,, hubba hubba.-Dovahkiin- wrote:See, now, that's what we in the industry call "You being uncomfortable with it". The general solution is for you to take a chill pill, and ignore it. Some people want it, some people won't bother with it. So don't.TheNightFather wrote:-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.
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Not to throw you off or anything, but to some girls, that is VERY appealing.-Dovahkiin- wrote:We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.TheNightFather wrote:If heterosexual relationships feature, why shouldn't homosexual relationships feature? I'm pretty sure Dunmer females are notorious for being bisexual. Someone more read up in the Real Barenziah would know, but I'm pretty sure she mentions it. In fact, I'm almost certain of it.-Dovahkiin- wrote:Maybe Gay/Lesbian relationship's are unnecessary for this game, yes it add's realism and maybe abit more to gameplay and dialogue as many may say, but perhaps maybe for some reason all the other this kind of thing just doesn't have to exist in Nirn. Just sayin.
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Sorry to be double posting, but I'm fairly certain there was mention of gay love in Oblivion. It was when Vilena's son died when Blackwood Company attacked the Fighter's guild in that cave. Either he or a nearby corpse had a journal hinting that they were lovers.-Dovahkiin- wrote: I could be uncomfortable with it, against it or just love it, yeah ill just leave the assumptions to you. Just lets keep Skyrim's inhabitant's sexual orientation straight like the previous title's and lore, Atleast in the male area, i don't want to have to start a bar fight because some dude tried grabbing my junk,,, hubba hubba.
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Oh dear, if his sexual orientation was straight then i'm sure he would of been able to swing his sword like a real man and still be alive, OK i joke i joke seriously, but i just think i wouldn't be able to take the game seriously, a gay wizard or mage will be swinging his staff at me and i will not be able to stop thinking about repulsive things lmao.AeraDunmerMoon wrote:Sorry to be double posting, but I'm fairly certain there was mention of gay love in Oblivion. It was when Vilena's son died when Blackwood Company attacked the Fighter's guild in that cave. Either he or a nearby corpse had a journal hinting that they were lovers.-Dovahkiin- wrote: I could be uncomfortable with it, against it or just love it, yeah ill just leave the assumptions to you. Just lets keep Skyrim's inhabitant's sexual orientation straight like the previous title's and lore, Atleast in the male area, i don't want to have to start a bar fight because some dude tried grabbing my junk,,, hubba hubba.
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I still don't understand why you think there should be heterosexuals but not homosexuals in skyrim. That's saying that I cannot be as immersed in the game as you would be
I think everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just don't get it sorry
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And believe me i wouldn't have a problem telling you why, only for the fact that i'm considerate of other's feeling's and understand that my opinions and views on the whole homosexual thing will upset other's and cause some controversy.BOETHIABADMAN wrote:I still don't understand why you think there should be heterosexuals but not homosexuals in skyrim. That's saying that I cannot be as immersed in the game as you would beI think everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just don't get it sorry
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Ah then you aren't homophobic I presume. I understand and personally I couldnt care less how you feel but others might so... if you want to PM me because I am actually kind of intrigued now Haha-Dovahkiin- wrote:And believe me i wouldn't have a problem telling you why, only for the fact that i'm considerate of other's feeling's and understand that my opinions and views on the whole homosexual thing will upset other's and cause some controversy.BOETHIABADMAN wrote:I still don't understand why you think there should be heterosexuals but not homosexuals in skyrim. That's saying that I cannot be as immersed in the game as you would beI think everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just don't get it sorry
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Is homophobic actually a mental form of illness that can't be helped? i dont get that term. You either agree with them or you don't, i just tollerate them, and that's all i'm going to say on the matter!BOETHIABADMAN wrote:Ah then you aren't homophobic I presume. I understand and personally I couldnt care less how you feel but others might so... if you want to PM me because I am actually kind of intrigued now Haha-Dovahkiin- wrote:And believe me i wouldn't have a problem telling you why, only for the fact that i'm considerate of other's feeling's and understand that my opinions and views on the whole homosexual thing will upset other's and cause some controversy.BOETHIABADMAN wrote:I still don't understand why you think there should be heterosexuals but not homosexuals in skyrim. That's saying that I cannot be as immersed in the game as you would beI think everyone is entitled to an opinion but I just don't get it sorry
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I saw in another part of this forum a while ago that most if not all of the regular posters on here are gay, for whatever reason, so im guessing that the massive support for the option that is seen here might be a bit out of whack.

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What do you mean out of whack? I just think that in a world where heterosexuality is common why can't homosexuality? It makes more sense to me. I'm not saying it is unfair or anything immature like that I just set the sensibility behind the matter.soda popinski wrote:I saw in another part of this forum a while ago that most if not all of the regular posters on here are gay, for whatever reason, so im guessing that the massive support for the option that is seen here might be a bit out of whack.
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I'm straight, I just don't see why in God's name if you get what you want, homosexuals shouldn't either? It don't make sense. It's stupid at best, and discrimination at worst.
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Or there shouldn't be marriage and relationship at all. It looks like a waste of space(or whatever).
I wonder whether the quest for friendship/romance similar to Fable 3. Now that would be a disaster !!!!
"Hey fetch me this item that I plant out of nowhere so we could be wife and husband". Hmm, At least Fable 3 have straight, gay, and bisexual trait on their NPC.
I wonder whether the quest for friendship/romance similar to Fable 3. Now that would be a disaster !!!!
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My point in a nutshellTheNightFather wrote:I'm straight, I just don't see why in God's name if you get what you want, homosexuals shouldn't either? It don't make sense. It's stupid at best, and discrimination at worst.
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Look, I've played every one of the Elder Scrolls games far more than I care to admit. I've wasted quite a few days of my life in Cyrodiil, on quite a few different characters, in quite a few different ways. I'm gay, and I'm hardly naive enough to believe that I'm going to change your mind on the subject or that anything is capable of doing so, but the fact is that previous to Skyrim, romantic relationships haven't been an option for anyone.-Dovahkiin- wrote:We all know girl on girl is what you would call 'Fantasy'. However i dont see how gay males would appeal.
I'm fine with that; I am absolutely willing to play a game that focuses on the adventure and doesn't nod toward personal relationships at all; however, what I am NOT okay with doing is playing yet another game in which I have to sit through a romance with which I can neither identify nor feel included. I would also hate to have the idea enforced that I should just 'remain celibate' because they didn't include the option for homosexual pairings- I get enough of that in real life, thank you. In a game which is all about the role-playing, especially in a fantasy setting, I don't want limits imposed on me that aren't imposed on other gamers. That's fair to neither me, nor anyone else who wishes to explore that avenue.
If you don't want to deal with it, ignore it, or kill all the gays in-game; I really don't care. It's your world to shape as you wish- I don't understand why you would wish to see others denied the same privilege.
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Joking or not, please, try not to say stuff like that as this is a very diverse forum.-Dovahkiin- wrote: Oh dear, if his sexual orientation was straight then i'm sure he would of been able to swing his sword like a real man and still be alive, OK i joke i joke seriously, but i just think i wouldn't be able to take the game seriously, a gay wizard or mage will be swinging his staff at me and i will not be able to stop thinking about repulsive things lmao.
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