Why are you religious/non-religious?

[Stendarr]

God didn't wire out brain not to sin. He gave us the choice between him and sin. Mankind chose sin.

btw, these responses are really long

We're talking about why didn't he wired our brain in such way.

Pretty much half the responses are quoted text, but I agree it makes for long posts.

[born2beagator]

God didn't wire out brain not to sin. He gave us the choice between him and sin. Mankind chose sin.

btw, these responses are really long

We're talking about why didn't he wired our brain in such way.

Pretty much half the responses are quoted text, but I agree it makes for long posts.

being wired to obey is not obedience, its slavery. God wants a human race that chooses to follow him, not one that is wired to.

[Stendarr]

We're talking about why didn't he wired our brain in such way.

Pretty much half the responses are quoted text, but I agree it makes for long posts.

being wired to obey is not obedience, its slavery. God wants a human race that chooses to follow him, not one that is wired to.

I never talked about obedience. Only disabling them from sin. Slavery implies doing something against one's will, being wired in a particular way is what gives us our will, not what takes it away from us. Are animals enslaved because their brain isn't identical to ours? Because they pretty much only act through instincts? Our brain's wiring constantly change over time, experience and environmental stress, no one has the same brain wiring, so why would we be less enslaved if the environment and experience dictates our wiring rather than God?

[born2beagator]

Disabling man's mind from sin is taking the choice between God and sin out of play. Again, God wanted man to freely choose him because man wanted to. Not because he was the only choice.

[zzfallens]

I tried, I really did. But I don't believe in god, or any gods. Extraordinary claims need extraordinary proof. I think a lot of people deep down don't believe but they are afraid to admit it because they think they are going to go to "hell" or be an outcast in their social groups. The earth was not made 11,000 years ago. Dinosaurs did exist. The earth and the ENTIRE UNIVERSE were not made on the same day. There is no way a human could live to 600, especially in those times (Noah). Cutting your hair isn't a sin. Being gay isn't an abomination. Unicorns, giants, angels, talking snakes, and talking donkeys don't exist. These things are all proven to be true. And god seems like an [&@%!], doesn't he? He destroyed cities, flooded the earth, burns non believers, killed the first born of every Egyptian, condones slavery, rape and pedophilia, and says that anyone who works on sunday should be stoned, as well as gays and witches.

I just can't believe in it anymore. And its sad because my parents are making receive confirmation.

[born2beagator]

Okay, I am not even going to try to argue with that as I could not do it in a civilized way

[zzfallens]

All that stuff is in the bible, you know that right.

[Stendarr]

Disabling man's mind from sin is taking the choice between God and sin out of play. Again, God wanted man to freely choose him because man wanted to. Not because he was the only choice.

I'm not talking about changing our wiring, but making us like that in the first place. The only reason we sin is because we are enabled to do so. And because sins are sins.

[born2beagator]

All that stuff is in the bible, you know that right.

yes I do, I also believe that mankind brought all of that on themselves.

As for creation, the 7 day theory could also be symbolic and not an actual 7 days.

and stendarr

But we still had the choice not to sin. Adam and Eve could have refused Satan.

[born2beagator]

Disabling man's mind from sin is taking the choice between God and sin out of play. Again, God wanted man to freely choose him because man wanted to. Not because he was the only choice.

I'm not talking about changing our wiring, but making us like that in the first place. The only reason we sin is because we are enabled to do so. And because sins are sins.

DP my bad

[zzfallens]

The first line of Genesis is: "God created the Universe and the Earth on the same day." It's translated differently in other versions, but it is the same basic idea.

[Stendarr]

The earth and the ENTIRE UNIVERSE were not made on the same day.

It's surprising the number of people who claim the Big Bang is a weak theory. That's because they know nothing about it. In fact, it's a very strong theory that did predict several things, as well as is supported by works of several physicists before the idea even existed. Hell, the Big Bang theory was pretty much "discovered" by Hubble, but Einstein did predict it, only he did not believe it. Hubble brought sufficient proof for it to be seen as something serious, and since then there were, like I said, predictions and further weight to it. And it's something I find funny, because they believe in something that really can't be proven, but can't get into theories which have tons of evidence and such. I mean, if we have iPhones and such, it's certainly not because science failed us so miserably the whole time...

[born2beagator]

The first line of Genesis is: "God created the Universe and the Earth on the same day." It's translated differently in other versions, but it is the same basic idea.

The bible also says God is beyond mortal man's comprehension. How are we to say he is not capable of this? I don't think the laws of science apply when God wants something done. btw faith is most often times belief in something you cannot see.

[VirtualWeasel]

All that stuff is in the bible, you know that right.

yes I do, I also believe that mankind brought all of that on themselves.

As for creation, the 7 day theory could also be symbolic and not an actual 7 days.

and stendarr

But we still had the choice not to sin. Adam and Eve could have refused Satan.

Temptation is a human emotion. Error is part of being a human. Your "God" clearly wants you to try and control everything that a human can't. Lust, temptation, disrespect, and imperfection are all human traits. Complex emotion is a truly evil, vile gift.

[born2beagator]

All that stuff is in the bible, you know that right.

yes I do, I also believe that mankind brought all of that on themselves.

As for creation, the 7 day theory could also be symbolic and not an actual 7 days.

and stendarr

But we still had the choice not to sin. Adam and Eve could have refused Satan.

Temptation is a human emotion. Error is part of being a human. Your "God" clearly wants you to try and control everything that a human can't. Lust, temptation, disrespect, and imperfection are all human traits. Complex emotion is a truly evil, vile gift.

yet without complex emotion, where would emotions like love be?

[zzfallens]

The first line of Genesis is: "God created the Universe and the Earth on the same day." It's translated differently in other versions, but it is the same basic idea.

The bible also says God is beyond mortal man's comprehension. How are we to say he is not capable of this? I don't think the laws of science apply when God wants something done. btw faith is most often times belief in something you cannot see.

I don't think the laws of science apply to god at all seeing as they are complete contradictions of each other. You can't believe in god and science at the same time, it just doesn't work.

[Wolfie]

You do know every normal - ie. someone who did not suffer an important mutation like trisomy - human being have a certain fixed number of genes? Otherwise you need more chromosomes and that doesn't make you a human being anymore. If God managed to give more genes to Adam and Eve for some reason, EVERY one of their kids (and their kids) will have the same number of genes.

Yes

As it turns out, there are three main mitochondrial DNA lineages found across the world. The evolutionists have labeled these lines “M”, “N”, and “R

So three only three? thats about rgiht with the sotry of adam and eve

hmm

Yes, because obviously that's the only explanation possible if homosexuality is a gene thing. The problem is, you know nothing about genetics. If homosexuality was due to consanguinity, after all these years, homosexuals wouldn't be such a minority. You have to know, consanguinity means the very same genes are always reused, there IS variation because we give only half of our genes, but it hardly is enough variation, there's not even new genes. Since homosexual exists, if it was due to a consanguinity thing - and we talk about it coming from TWO parents, and not hundreds, making things tenfold worse - it would be much, much, much more present.

so then you agree its a choice?
if its not a gene thing then what is it?
if its a chocie then they choice to do this and god did not make them

I'm not talking about how old is the Earth.

but you did say thousands of years when it never says how old it is

And you should be less naĩve. That's pseudo-scientific [&@%!] A real scientist doesn't try to "discover" things to fit his religious (or any at all) agenda, a real scientist gather clues, evidence and such from observations and calculations, then analyzing the information and interpreting it, makes theories.

Take a look at this website and browse through the "scientific" publications. We've been wrong all along. Scientists explain things that is OBSERVABLE, trying to use their theories for predictions, and the more predictions, the more validity they get. It's easy to come up with [&@%!] that explains something you want to be true if you can't flat-out disprove it, but that doesn't mean it's more valid. Those crazy dudes came up with tons of reasons for everything, and it's actually kinda hard to argue with them. But you know it's all [&@%!] when all their theories are disconnected, don't work together and only explain specific things when everything else the real scientists came up with fit marvelously together, AND manages to make predictions. Same things with that creationist dude who ignores the countless evidence towards evolution. Did you know whales have pelvises? Did you know we have a bone that is usually used for tails? Did you know we have a part in our intestines that are used by herbivores to digest things we can't? It's because we have common ancestors.

DUDE, please, tell me what is scientific in taking unproven things as true, and using them into researches? Or at least using them in a scientific text? That's utter travesty.

So if this is so wrong shoe me one thing that is right?
if its wrong cause you say so?

prove this is not true as it deals with science so you can

The evidence from mitochondrial DNA fits our model just as neatly as the Y chromosome data. As it turns out, there are three main mitochondrial DNA lineages found across the world. The evolutionists have labeled these lines “M”, “N”, and “R”, so we’ll refer to them by the same names. They would not say these came off the Ark. They claim they were derived from older lines found in Africa, but this is based on a suite of assumptions (I discussed these in detail in a recent article in the Journal of Creation7). It also turns out that M, N, and R differ by only a few mutations. This gives us some indication of the amount of mutation that occurred in the generations prior to the Flood.

After all why are their only three main ones?

You keep saying that what I post is some type of scene yet
you have posted nothing to prove your point
only using the fact you know i know nothing about this

"Yes Genetic came over time, and environmental pressure which was added by our Race
so again
our choices made it"
That's not in the bible dude. Genetics and environment pressure are recent concepts compared to the bible's existence.

Your missing the point
just cause we "found" out about them now dose not mean they did not exist back then

That's not even what I'm talking about.
1. What does impraont means?
2. It IS true. It's been proven, ie. it's not an opinion.

it's also proven you can ignore it
so yes it is an opinion

Read again. I feel like having a one-way discussion, you ignore what annoys you and answers to the rest. Yes you can choose CERTAIN things, but like I said, you CAN'T have control over certain feelings. That is NOT a choice. I'm not saying we have no choice over anything, but we don't have TOTAL control, which is 100% true, but you fail to see this. It's not an opinion thing, it's a fact.

sigh here we go

Free will dose not meazn total control, some of my sayings

'm not saying free will means you can do anythjing [/quote]
Free will dose not mean you can fly with your farts[/quote]

so who ignored what?

Total control means we can do more choices... Plus, why did you argue about adrenalin and heartbeats if that doesn't matter in the first place...

Huh becuse your points are flawed we can control them

Yeah, yeah, anyone can say "screw depression I'm tired of it". More ignorant [&@%!] Sure you don't need medication to stop being depressed, but it's not a single choice like that. It's quite complex. As far as I know, the only things that can really make you stop being depressed is if your life gets better, maybe through choices you made, but you just can't choose to stop being depressed.

Many pepole do it, I've done it
no one said a choice is instant either

If your one person who is not 100% right on everything, how come did you have proven so many contradictions not true? A lot of what you said is YOUR , things which were never said in the bible.

[/quote]
this is bull man show me "my interpretation"
its a fact that they did not have the clasfactions of mainal and all that
it's a fact that the 2nd chapter in the bible is not in order

and they are in the bible
you keep saying "not in the bible"
when in fact it is
the fact of what you have been saying proves you dont know whats in it

[VirtualWeasel]

yes I do, I also believe that mankind brought all of that on themselves.

As for creation, the 7 day theory could also be symbolic and not an actual 7 days.

and stendarr

But we still had the choice not to sin. Adam and Eve could have refused Satan.

Temptation is a human emotion. Error is part of being a human. Your "God" clearly wants you to try and control everything that a human can't. Lust, temptation, disrespect, and imperfection are all human traits. Complex emotion is a truly evil, vile gift.

yet without complex emotion, where would emotions like love be?

That's where the gift part comes in. It's a gift indeed, but a terrible one.

[born2beagator]

The first line of Genesis is: "God created the Universe and the Earth on the same day." It's translated differently in other versions, but it is the same basic idea.

The bible also says God is beyond mortal man's comprehension. How are we to say he is not capable of this? I don't think the laws of science apply when God wants something done. btw faith is most often times belief in something you cannot see.

I don't think the laws of science apply to god at all seeing as they are complete contradictions of each other. You can't believe in god and science at the same time, it just doesn't work.

I believe that the ability for mankind to understand the laws of science was given to us to help better mankind. I am Christian, but I believe without science we would still be in the dark ages. I do think God is above science, and I do believe in the supernatural that cannot be explained by science

btw thanks for the civilized responses. Some really stimulating talk here

[zzfallens]

I believe that the ability for mankind to understand the laws of science was given to us to help better mankind. I am Christian, but I believe without science we would still be in the dark ages

What about dinosaurs, Evolution and the big bang, then? They really contradict religion.

btw thanks for the civilized responses. Some really stimulating talk here

no problem

[VirtualWeasel]

I'm sorry, but who doesn't believe in Dinosaurs? You've got to be... Well, I won't say it.

[zzfallens]

I'm sorry, but who doesn't believe in Dinosaurs? You've got to be... Well, I won't say it.

Christians? Jews?

[born2beagator]

I believe that the ability for mankind to understand the laws of science was given to us to help better mankind. I am Christian, but I believe without science we would still be in the dark ages

What about dinosaurs, Evolution and the big bang, then? They really contradict religion.

btw thanks for the civilized responses. Some really stimulating talk here

no problem

I don't believe mankind came from a lesser species, I believe that we were created as the bible says, in the image of God and the Angels. I do believe there is evolution of a kind. God created creatures to adapt over their existence. I also believe that God was responsible for putting the processes in place that caused the big bang.

and I do believe in Dinosaurs btw.

[zzfallens]

I believe that the ability for mankind to understand the laws of science was given to us to help better mankind. I am Christian, but I believe without science we would still be in the dark ages

What about dinosaurs, Evolution and the big bang, then? They really contradict religion.

btw thanks for the civilized responses. Some really stimulating talk here

no problem

I don't believe mankind came from a lesser species, I believe that we were created as the bible says, in the image of God and the Angels. I do believe there is evolution of a kind. God created creatures to adapt over their existence. I also believe that God was responsible for putting the processes in place that caused the big bang.

and I do believe in Dinosaurs btw.

If god created the big bang, who created god then?

And if the earth is 11,000 years old, how did dinosaurs exist?

[born2beagator]

zz.

No one created God. He has always been.
and I don't think the earth is only 11,000 years old. The sun would not even be a main sequence star if it were 11,000. Life could not exist.