Value based topics - political, religious etc.

Andere · Post by **Andere** » Wed May 18, 2011 3:13 pm

Topics about political, philosophical, religious and other value based issues haven't been favored in UESP. We are trying to open the lid, allowing these. If you have an idea about a topic in these areas, please give the topic you've thought about, as well as a description of the subject, and preferably some picture of what might be possible flamings, or causes of controversy. Send your message as PM to Dark Lord or Generalno1.

Rat Kiosk · Post by **Rat Kiosk** » Wed May 18, 2011 7:45 pm

What you need to make sure is that it's

NOT
Your wrong (no specified reason)

Shouldn't be
Your wrong because...

Should be
I think/ my view is this because...

I don't know if that make sence, but basically people shouldn't try to devalue others opinions and instead should aim to share thier own.

Jingles · Post by **Jingles** » Wed May 18, 2011 8:02 pm

Well this is a can of worms if ever I saw one.

However this is seems to be a very polite forum, so I doubt there's much to worry about when it comes to civility.

H8Ball · Post by **H8Ball** » Wed May 18, 2011 10:41 pm

I was always taught that when you're in the pub socialising, you should NEVER discuss religion or politics. They're the two biggest causes of war, and on a smaller scale, knock down drag out bar brawls that disrupt everyone's enjoyment! That goes for anything else that's too obviously controversial, as well.

Dark Lord Cam · Post by **Dark Lord Cam** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:26 am

To make this clear, all conversations will be watched and moderated by me and the others. If there is any sign of a possible fight, Lock.

VirtualWeasel · Post by **VirtualWeasel** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:28 am

So, we can make a thread for Religion, politics, etc.? Just in a friendly way?

Dark Lord Cam · Post by **Dark Lord Cam** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:32 am

VirtualWeasel wrote:So, we can make a thread for Religion, politics, etc.? Just in a friendly way?

Just follow the rules as stated by Andere.

VirtualWeasel · Post by **VirtualWeasel** » Fri May 20, 2011 3:34 am

Alright.
wait here.

ZombieMonkeyNZ · Post by **ZombieMonkeyNZ** » Fri May 20, 2011 4:19 am

Why not over there? Whats wrong with over there?
Sorry, couldn't help myself...

Andere · Post by **Andere** » Fri May 20, 2011 11:18 am

ZombieMonkeyNZ wrote:Why not over there? Whats wrong with over there?
Sorry, couldn't help myself...

As you seem to have understood yourself, this is not a philosophical debate topic.

... me neither...

Eltee · Post by **Eltee** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:23 am

I'm happy to see this thread, and I hope that it is able to be maintained for as long as possible.

Dean · Post by **Dean** » Sun May 22, 2011 12:37 am

You know, if this new system of allowing religious, political and whatever threads works out...which it has been doing. I would really like to see a new sub-forum for it. Expanding the site in that way could be a good thing, I mean yeah sure you can't stop every argument from happening or people getting a tad upset... but that happens in threads which don't have any controversial issues anyway. Always has, always will.

There are sections for everything else, and I believe these types of threads are to important to be thrown in with the normal general banter section. I'm not saying do it RIGHT now, but it may be a good thing to think about for the future, no?

Spiney · Post by **Spiney** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:06 am

Dean wrote:You know, if this new system of allowing religious, political and whatever threads works out...which it has been doing. I would really like to see a new sub-forum for it. Expanding the site in that way could be a good thing, I mean yeah sure you can't stop every argument from happening or people getting a tad upset... but that happens in threads which don't have any controversial issues anyway. Always has, always will.

There are sections for everything else, and I believe these types of threads are to important to be thrown in with the normal general banter section. I'm not saying do it RIGHT now, but it may be a good thing to think about for the future, no?

I would vote on a Debate section, perhaps a non-debate section for those touchy sections as well (sexuality, etc).

I would also vote on sectional moderators there too, just for that extra coverage.

Jeff · Post by **Jeff** » Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 am

It should be called Discussion. It should specifically state, that there is no arguing, and no debating.

An argument, by any other name, is still an argument: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debate

A debate is a formal argument. There is the pro and the con. The intent is for one side to prove the other wrong... an argument.

JockoBeans · Post by **JockoBeans** » Sun May 22, 2011 6:57 am

Spiney wrote:
Dean wrote:You know, if this new system of allowing religious, political and whatever threads works out...which it has been doing. I would really like to see a new sub-forum for it. Expanding the site in that way could be a good thing, I mean yeah sure you can't stop every argument from happening or people getting a tad upset... but that happens in threads which don't have any controversial issues anyway. Always has, always will.

There are sections for everything else, and I believe these types of threads are to important to be thrown in with the normal general banter section. I'm not saying do it RIGHT now, but it may be a good thing to think about for the future, no?
I would vote on a Debate section, perhaps a non-debate section for those touchy sections as well (sexuality, etc).

I would also vote on sectional moderators there too, just for that extra coverage.

I agree that if a new sub-forum was opened then there should be more moderators. If it takes off then the current moderators will get overwhelmed.

Arch-Mage Matt · Post by **Arch-Mage Matt** » Sun May 22, 2011 5:55 pm

It's not too much of a strain, it barely makes a difference. At least for me. So you really don't need to worry about sectional moderators.

Master of Puppets · Post by **Master of Puppets** » Sun May 22, 2011 8:23 pm

I have a question about these topics. Can there be friendly debate involved, as long as both sides stay calm, and it isn't reduced to an all caps match?

Generalno1 · Post by **Generalno1** » Mon May 23, 2011 5:16 am

Won't matter if you're trying to prove the other side wrong, tensions will rise. just Talk about it, if that's possible for your topic.

Spiney · Post by **Spiney** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:03 am

Arch-Mage Matt wrote:It's not too much of a strain, it barely makes a difference. At least for me. So you really don't need to worry about sectional moderators.

For now it's fine. But I'm thinking for when Skyrim is released. Having l33t noobs up in Skyrim and flamers/trolls down in the debate section, is probably going to cause some strain.

Generalno1 · Post by **Generalno1** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:34 am

We already plan on doing things when that happens, but for now, the current mod team will handle.
Skyrim is still a few months away

Dark Lord Cam · Post by **Dark Lord Cam** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:40 am

Jeff wrote:It should be called Discussion. It should specifically state, that there is no arguing, and no debating.

An argument, by any other name, is still an argument: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/debate

A debate is a formal argument. There is the pro and the con. The intent is for one side to prove the other wrong... an argument.

I agree. We should call it Discussion.

Spiney · Post by **Spiney** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:46 am

Generalno1 wrote:We already plan on doing things when that happens, but for now, the current mod team will handle.
Skyrim is still a few months away

Yeah, I do think now we're fine.

OblivionDuruza · Post by **OblivionDuruza** » Mon May 23, 2011 6:57 am

Generalno1 wrote:We already plan on doing things when that happens, but for now, the current mod team will handle.
Skyrim is still a few months away

I'd say that the current mod team does a great job overall and doesn't need to really change.

We should cross the Skyrim bridge when we get to it, it is still May after all

.

JockoBeans · Post by **JockoBeans** » Mon May 23, 2011 7:46 am

Yea, the current mods are awesome. Sad things are so slow.

Moeboid · Post by **Moeboid** » Tue May 24, 2011 11:27 am

A recent thread has lead me to believe that in order to have meaningful discussions about such topics, we need - among other things - a separate sub-forum. Topics like religion are so complex. It takes a large number of threads in order to discuss them properly - threads that would clutter the "General Banter" section. So I call for a separate sub-forum. Anyone like this idea?

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