“Fine day” said the young man.
“Gods!” hollered Zaki, sending the young man flying with a well-placed punch, and dashing away.
You've got it mixed around there. A werewolf can run on all fours and jump like nobody's business. That's the huge advantage they have, to be able to run away and sleep/heal.Milder Despues wrote: Also that the vampire has the potential to jump farher and run faster than the werewolf (right?).
Well, I was still on about on about my in-game ramblings there.You've got it mixed around there. A werewolf can run on all fours and jump like nobody's business. That's the huge advantage they have, to be able to run away and sleep/heal.
And from a more general pont of view, I also think that werewolfs jump better, but not sure about them being faster..Wherein lies the problem. I've no doubt that the werewolf would win this. But the advantage of being a vampire is that you're able to use items, so it would'nt be fair to not give him any. On the other hand, you can give him the perfect equipment that will make him squash the werewolf. And that ain't fair either.Here's an idea: Use the console to spawn a werewolf and a vampire, both the same level, in the same cell. Make them hostile to each other, hide, and see who wins.
Let's say your average level 50 NPC became a werewolf. Agility, Endurance, Speed, Strength, Acrobatics, Athletics, Hand-to-hand and Unarmored will all increase, and a level 50 NPC might already have some of them at 90.Milder Despues wrote:Well, I was still on about on about my in-game ramblings there.You've got it mixed around there. A werewolf can run on all fours and jump like nobody's business. That's the huge advantage they have, to be able to run away and sleep/heal.
All of the non-quest-associated werewolves in Bloodmoon are level 50-100, so even with a silver weapon I think an average vampire wouldn't make it far.Milder Despues wrote: Wherein lies the problem. I've no doubt that the werewolf would win this. But the advantage of being a vampire is that you're able to use items, so it would'nt be fair to not give him any. On the other hand, you can give him the perfect equipment that will make him squash the werewolf. And that ain't fair either.
“Fine day” said the young man.
“Gods!” hollered Zaki, sending the young man flying with a well-placed punch, and dashing away.
Nope, they are set to a fixed value, in some cases lower than what you had before. Whereas the same level 50 npc becoming a vampire gets the bonuses added his current stats. But like I said before, not sure about attributes, only the skills.Let's say your average level 50 NPC became a werewolf. Agility, Endurance, Speed, Strength, Acrobatics, Athletics, Hand-to-hand and Unarmored will all increase, and a level 50 NPC might already have some of them at 90.
Insert Bloodmoon silver weapons here (especially the ones with paralyze enchantments) and I think you are wrong.All of the non-quest-associated werewolves in Bloodmoon are level 50-100, so even with a silver weapon I think an average vampire wouldn't make it far.
At least understating quite a bit.My thoughts exactly.I think it can be viewed as this: As an NPC, werewolves are more powerful. As a PC, vampires are more possible. It all has to do with how, in just a few minutes, you can have far better armor and abilities than just about any NPC in the game.
Though I generally lose.I mean in the shoes of the player, so to speak. I'm certain about the skills, though you may be right on the attributes. If only there was a way to actually test this in the CS...Milder Despues wrote: Nope, they are set to a fixed value, in some cases lower than what you had before. Whereas the same level 50 npc becoming a vampire gets the bonuses added his current stats. But like I said before, not sure about attributes, only the skills.
The only problem is, there are no vampires in Bloodmoon.Milder Despues wrote:
Insert Bloodmoon silver weapons here (especially the ones with paralyze enchantments) and I think you are wrong.
A non-enchanted silver weapon would be more dangerous to a werewolf, yes, but it's still likely the NPC would lose. 
Then you have never faced me.Though I generally lose.
Well, I mean in the shoes of the player too, but not sure what you mean by it.I mean in the shoes of the player, so to speak. I'm certain about the skills, though you may be right on the attributes. If only there was a way to actually test this in the CS...
In what way are you certain about the skills, that they are increased for a werewolf? And I'm sure it's testable in some way, but all I'm saying is from pure memory.I try to view this whole thing from the shoes of the player.The only problem is, there are no vampires in Bloodmoon.
That is to say, you level your own character to a high level and then consider what he'd be more powerful as, a werewolf or a vampire. Doesn't an enchanted silver weapon do double damage against werewolves? If it does, I stand by my point that the bloodmoon silver weapons are nasssty.We'll battle to see who loses, eh?Milder Despues wrote: Then you have never faced me.
If you do mean from the view of the actual player, then I know from experience. I can't remember the exact levels, but I believe my speed and agility were maxed out. The bonuses for the werewolf are just one-sided toward stealthy combat, while the vampire's vary.Milder Despues wrote: Well, I mean in the shoes of the player too, but not sure what you mean by it.
Even a regular silver weapon does double damage, I believe. But my point is, the werewolf, if low on health, could easily escape from the vampire to rest. However, if in the Arena, well, it's more evenly matched. Again, we need to test this.Milder Despues wrote: I try to view this whole thing from the shoes of the player.