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Again, it seems my RP ability and Zudeel pale in comparison to others here. Such is my life and creations. I just don't write well.
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Practice makes perfect! Niralie was pretty bland when I first started out with her: generic "nice" friendly cheerful person, didn't really have a backstory for her, didn't know how to play her well, etc. It's three years of RPing with her that have turned her into the much more complex, developed character she is today (honestly, if she dies at all, I will be genuinely extremely sad), and has helped me become better at RPing in general.KingFeraligatr wrote:Again, it seems my RP ability and Zudeel pale in comparison to others here. Such is my life and creations. I just don't write well.

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Oh my.. looking back at some of my early characters... yeeesh >__< I like to think that I have gotten better
Also, I too would be sad to see Nira dieif only because it was not at the hands of MIGHTY Maurzol
Also, I too would be sad to see Nira die
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At which point is it safe to say Nora & Niralie are now buddy buddy? Not at all as rude/loud as prior thought right? 
Plus if anime has taught me anything, a spa scene fixes and cements any friendship
Plus if anime has taught me anything, a spa scene fixes and cements any friendship
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Re: RP Character Discussion
KingFeraligatr wrote:Again, it seems my RP ability and Zudeel pale in comparison to others here. Such is my life and creations. I just don't write well.
Zudeel is a decent character. I do feel that you should interact more but that's just my personal opinion and i will admit, I am kinda biased as i perfer characters that interact with others. I started off with more awful characters then good ones and via experience, i've gotten more good ones and a lot better at RPing. Tis one of those things that requires time and experience.
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Re: RP Character Discussion
TA2: Any thoughts on how the new dynamic may be shaked up?
I already know Nora probably wont get along with Ariellius, and with his return I expect friction to resume with Niralie, then Eolwyn being the sort of wild card <_<
I already know Nora probably wont get along with Ariellius, and with his return I expect friction to resume with Niralie, then Eolwyn being the sort of wild card <_<
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TA2:
Overall at the moment she really isn't sure what to think and she's shocked to see him more than anything else.
I don't expect the friction between Niralie and Arellius to be as strong as before: as I pointed out in my post where she recognized him, they did survive the lifeboat together, which kind of started a little connection between them, and he did pretty much save her life (all she remembers is that he checked on her after the troll, but after the fight with Nandrnil he gave her healing potion and he also brought her and Tia to Elethir's inn to be healed.) She's not going to be exactly comfortable around him, regardless: despite him having helped her she's still a little afraid of him due to the previous unfriendly experiences with him (someone nearly killing you isn't something that can be forgotten easily, after all) and also how quick he is to use violence.BetaB17 wrote:TA2: Any thoughts on how the new dynamic may be shaked up?
I already know Nora probably wont get along with Ariellius, and with his return I expect friction to resume with Niralie, then Eolwyn being the sort of wild card <_<
Overall at the moment she really isn't sure what to think and she's shocked to see him more than anything else.

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BetaB17 wrote:TA2: Any thoughts on how the new dynamic may be shaked up?
I already know Nora probably wont get along with Ariellius, and with his return I expect friction to resume with Niralie, then Eolwyn being the sort of wild card <_<
- Although he may appear warm and friendly when he wants to, he is anything but. Years as a mercenary have thought him to fend for himself.
He is a cold, hard [&@%!] who has no need for friends or relationships in any form and has no scruples sacrificing someone who thinks him friend to save his own hide.
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Diesel: I wanted to mention that Tobias was never intending to kill anyone in the rp.
The guy in the haunted house was an unfortunate accident; he was genuinely trying to make sure that no one came to harm from the man's knife, and felt like his actions were necessary because the man refused to drop it. He also then attempted to save him.
At the temple, he wasn't trying to kill Alex. He didn't shoot at Alex, he shot at the cube, in the backpack. He would have then taken the cube and/or backpack from him, but seeing as Alex went down and it appeared that he'd shot him, Tobias knew there wouldn't be time to do this before retaliation from the others, and therefore the grenade was his only option. His only goal was to destroy the cube, and could he have done this with no casualties, he would have done.
In the end, he was too over impulsive and keen with his actions. He didn't see Guo or Elisa as a threat, and so underestimated how they could respond to his actions. He also didn't feel like he was/had been doing anything wrong, and so didn't see himself as a danger to the others, as they saw him.
The guy in the haunted house was an unfortunate accident; he was genuinely trying to make sure that no one came to harm from the man's knife, and felt like his actions were necessary because the man refused to drop it. He also then attempted to save him.
At the temple, he wasn't trying to kill Alex. He didn't shoot at Alex, he shot at the cube, in the backpack. He would have then taken the cube and/or backpack from him, but seeing as Alex went down and it appeared that he'd shot him, Tobias knew there wouldn't be time to do this before retaliation from the others, and therefore the grenade was his only option. His only goal was to destroy the cube, and could he have done this with no casualties, he would have done.
In the end, he was too over impulsive and keen with his actions. He didn't see Guo or Elisa as a threat, and so underestimated how they could respond to his actions. He also didn't feel like he was/had been doing anything wrong, and so didn't see himself as a danger to the others, as they saw him.
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I've got a genuine question to be asked
On the subject of posting a short story that can be vaguely associated with a RP character, would it be better to share it here or in the TES Roleplayer's Thread? Or some place new in Arts?
I ask of this cause in my down time I've been rereading some scraps of my old fanfics(the same source for many of my TES-RP inspired PCs) and found some that really felt deserving of a revamp and proper story structure(aside from small statements, paper notes, and bare bones concepts)
I'm 1/4 way thru the draft for The Oracle of Mara & followed up by The Desolate Lesson Shared once that's finished
On the subject of posting a short story that can be vaguely associated with a RP character, would it be better to share it here or in the TES Roleplayer's Thread? Or some place new in Arts?
I ask of this cause in my down time I've been rereading some scraps of my old fanfics(the same source for many of my TES-RP inspired PCs) and found some that really felt deserving of a revamp and proper story structure(aside from small statements, paper notes, and bare bones concepts)
I'm 1/4 way thru the draft for The Oracle of Mara & followed up by The Desolate Lesson Shared once that's finished
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Re: RP Character Discussion
The TES Roleplayers thread is for roleplaying in the games, Beta. It would be rather confusing if Roleplay characters were placed in there for those who aren't roleplaying in the subforum of roleplaying. Would suggest using the arts forum and shameless self promote my thread. CHECK IT OUT BELOW YOU CURRS!
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Aside from Arya(who is utterly new) all my TES characters are modified copies of my own fanfic(I.e a retelling and story format of the TES game series and various questlines) ex: Maurzol played a prominent role during Skyrim. Raven during Oblivion. Nora during Morrowind. Ect ect. Notable exception being Kelnii(whom appeared between the events of Skyrim & Oblivion). And before you say.. Yes, some of my fanfic characters are based on actual saves that I have played(I.e Nesc'var = Nerevarine & Shovan = DB) it's still valid
The reason I'm asking is because the particular short stories hold relevance to a character both related to the fanfic/game as well as being portrayed in RPs on the forum <_< it can go either way, and I would rather not make an entirely new thread for a singular purpose when there are many perfectly acceptable ones already established
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I'd go for the TES Roleplayers thread, personally. I think this thread is more for talking about the characters from an ooc perspective, whereas the TESrp thread is already primed for in-game character story telling.
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It's not, Aarah. It's for those who roleplay in the games. It would potentially make it confusing if people started to use UESP TES RPs as some may be have no clue what is being discussed. Imo. 
EDIT: Didn't see Beta's post.
Would suggest using the Morrowind and Oblivion incarnations to avoid confusing. That said, the thread is deader then the average bandit.
EDIT: Didn't see Beta's post.
Would suggest using the Morrowind and Oblivion incarnations to avoid confusing. That said, the thread is deader then the average bandit.
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@Aarah: Fair enough
@Dov: Have you read the frequent sagas and tales posted in that Thread, or just the fairly outdated OP? Cause honestly, more ppl use it for literary TES works than they do describe 'what they did in Tamriel today' with character X
@Dov: Have you read the frequent sagas and tales posted in that Thread, or just the fairly outdated OP? Cause honestly, more ppl use it for literary TES works than they do describe 'what they did in Tamriel today' with character X
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That is true. It's usually based on Skyrim or Oblivion their characters and it usually has a few tales using the game. However, it is pretty much past it's prime and would be bst being put to sleep. Would be worth setting up a new one in the arts forum for just the tales as the TES RPers thread was meant to be discussing it, giving tips and ideas on roleplaying. That said, I would just recommend doing your own thread due to the state of the RPers thread and easier to get feedback, people reading it etc..
That said, the thread could just be closed down and rebooted with an updated and altered purpose.
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That said, the thread could just be closed down and rebooted with an updated and altered purpose.
Also, check out my stuff. What? I have no shame about advertising my stuff whilst the topic is at hand. That and tis the last time i'm advertising it.
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Gotta ask yourself, had/would Khazi break his staff.. Forgetting any potentially immediate consequences. Or better yet, if she turned his staff against him >_> would Nammu be mad at Khazi? Can he, be mad? Or does it even matter...Khazi wrote:She wasn't sure why she hadn't done it quite yet - perhaps because he was a fellow Khajiit, a mage like Sambur-dar; or, perhaps because she'd seen what he was capable of earlier in the cave and didn't want to get on his bad side.
I must add, I'm loving the conflicting emotions Khazi sees with Nammu. A fellow kin so far from home, a silhouette of a father figure perhaps? All tossed in turmoil over the very real danger that he gives mixed with the 'need' to not disappoint.. Such a conflicting mix
Begs the question, had she asked Nammu what he truly thought of her, would she dread his truth or does she woefully deny the answer she already knows.. Or is it all a product of her paranoid mind?
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TA2: >_> Nammu objects to that claim. Not BC he very much knows more about Sithis or Padomaic nature than DS, with his warped and limited mind, could even comprehendThe SheoDovah wrote:TA2: Darkscale is now Sithis. That is all.
If anything, he would call him closer to a fanatic or zealot who delved too near to darkness, and became lesser for that very act(I.e not something you want to be regarded as)
Little surprised <_< he doesn't think highly of DS, for more than one reason that can be certain.. You don't even want to get started on how he views the others
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I withdraw my earlier comment. It seems that Beta knows my character better than I do; he just can't resist testing the group.BetaB17 wrote:TA2: Any thoughts on how the new dynamic may be shaked up?
I already know Nora probably wont get along with Ariellius, and with his return I expect friction to resume with Niralie, then Eolwyn being the sort of wild card <_<
I do still wonder what Eolwyn thinks of him though. Their working relationship from earlier seemed good: I figure he would have appeared competent. But he's obviously creating more friction now.
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It's tricky with Arellius because he and Eolwyn would have spent some time in each other's company on the trip from cave to Windhelm, but even though we briefly discussed any info they would have shared, it's not the same as if we'd acted it out (no body language, comments or insights, etc).
Before he reappeared, she thought of him as brusque and unfriendly, but probably decent deep down.
Since his arrival at the manor, he's done nothing but made a poor impression and I predict Eolwyn's dislike for his ways will continue to increase down the line.
Before he reappeared, she thought of him as brusque and unfriendly, but probably decent deep down.
Since his arrival at the manor, he's done nothing but made a poor impression and I predict Eolwyn's dislike for his ways will continue to increase down the line.
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Not had she just recently been disowned by her clan and sent out to fend for herself.. Or after she was kicked out of the Synod given her unpopularity?Velvet wrote:I had always presumed someone would have travelled with her.
It's even stated in her bio, she stopped by Cheydinhal just to resupply before wandering the countryside for new purpose, but instead just, well, never left(Lucky her, right?)
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TA2: You know what I don't understand? Why Katlina feels she needs to compete with Niralie so much.. And ignore the fact that only one of them has any proficiency at alchemy >_>
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TA2: Because she feels threatened by Niralie healing people and robbing her of what she feels is her only purpose and is the only thing that she can fall back on to remind herself why she should stay in the group. And me doing a loooooooooooooong overdue character alteration to try to make her fit in better with the group whilst coming off as natural. Katlina prides herself on being different then most nords because unlike most, she dedicated herself to healing people instead of hurting them. Ignoring the odd tavern fight she has been involved in. Every time she is beaten to the punch or someone assumes she needs help in the topic she is dedicated to, she takes it as a personal slight against her entire life. That and I like to think that she was ridiculed a lot for chosing the path of a healer.
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TA2: I've always seen it as an expression of her insecurity about herself.
She feels threatened by Niralie because she has the same skills as she does: healing, and therefore is the one that can take away the thing that makes Kat feel worthwhile: her skill as a healer. By competing with Niralie, she is reinforcing her place in the world, as a proficient healer who helps people.
If Niralie is helping people too then what is the point in Kat even being there - she technically has no purpose.
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She feels threatened by Niralie because she has the same skills as she does: healing, and therefore is the one that can take away the thing that makes Kat feel worthwhile: her skill as a healer. By competing with Niralie, she is reinforcing her place in the world, as a proficient healer who helps people.
If Niralie is helping people too then what is the point in Kat even being there - she technically has no purpose.
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TA2: Yes yes, I get that, however irrational that may be. But no, seriously, Katlina can actually craft healing potions, whatever, hell, she's probably even better at conventional treatment(I.e bandages and herbs). Do you know what Niralie can't afford? Wasting magicka on lesser injuries incase someone is seriously hurt.. And you know what? That's exactly what both of them are gonna do
Katlina has two avenues to heal, and seems hell bent to only use just the one.
As per combat.. Se keeps getting in over her head.. Forgetting she's no warrior.. Healing as support and dealing damage by spells is her role
Katlina has two avenues to heal, and seems hell bent to only use just the one.
As per combat.. Se keeps getting in over her head.. Forgetting she's no warrior.. Healing as support and dealing damage by spells is her role
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