Tiber Septim's race.

[ProphetDragon]

Who's T9?

[MetaCthulhu]

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Speaking of Talos, Which name do you prefer? Talso, Tiber Septim, Dragonborn, Ysmir, Dovahsebrom or Hjalti?

When speaking about the person wo founded the third empire, tiber septim; when speaking about the ninth diety of the imperial pantheon, talos. Hjalti only if the source mentiones that name (we still don't know for 100% if they're the same). Dragonborn and Ysmir are titles for more than one person.

Debatable.

What I assume (I obviously don't know for sure) SarthesArai means is that Ysmir and Dragonborn are more of titles (like Count or Duke) or nicknames ( like Reggie or "boss") than names. For example, there are three different people with the "name" of Ysmir, and many, many people with the moniker Dragonborn including, but not limited to: The PC in Skyrim, Tiber Septim, Miraak, St. Alessia, Uriel Septim, Reman Cyrodiil, "Marty" (sue me), and maybe the Nerevarine (yeah, I went there )

Just as I said. Yes.

True, that is why we have the forum in the first place, to have fruitful debates. That being said, some debates are much, much shorter than others. For example, if you wanted to debate whether Ysmir and Dragonborn are names for Tiber Septim (and thus qualify for the "which name do you prefer" question above, because if they (they being the words Ysmir and Dragonborn) aren't names, then they obviously can't be a name to be preferred), I would (and have) point(ed) out that they refer to multiple people, and thus would be no more an appropriate "name" than just calling him emperor (which is certainly not his name). If the point you wish to debate is why Tiber Septim should be called such when speaking about the founder of the Septim dynasty and third empire: For 1. it's called the Septim dynasty, which he founded 2. That was his common name in most of Tamriel at the time, only in one province did they call him anything different (more on that later).

Talos is used after he ascended, 1. because it helps keep straight which thing we are talking about (and thus avoid discussions like this) 2. It was his birth name (allegedly, more on that later) and 3. because that's what most people refer to the god as in-game (ah! that word! in the lore section! the shame! the shame!)

Hjalti is from a secondary source, (the Arcturian Heresy), and thus is not as widely accepted as Tiber Septim, plus it may not even refer to the same person, plus even if it did, there would be no reason to use it as he had already adopted the name Tiber Septim and was referred to as such throughout Tamriel.

Rebuttal?

[Pilaf The Defiler]

Dragonborn and Ysmir are titles for more than one person.

Debatable.

What I assume (I obviously don't know for sure) SarthesArai means is that Ysmir and Dragonborn are more of titles (like Count or Duke) or nicknames ( like Reggie or "boss") than names. For example, there are three different people with the "name" of Ysmir, and many, many people with the moniker Dragonborn including, but not limited to: The PC in Skyrim, Tiber Septim, Miraak, St. Alessia, Uriel Septim, Reman Cyrodiil, "Marty" (sue me), and maybe the Nerevarine (yeah, I went there )

And while both are titles Talos bore, what made him Talos was the Stormcrown, although the Greybeards implied that the Last Dragonborn would inherit it, at least for the duration of her campaign against Alduin. Whether the "Stormcrown" is a fancy way of marking the Dragonborn or has some deeper metaphysical implication isn't spelled out, but that's how myths of legendary heroes tend to go.

[ProphetDragon]

Clearly 'Stormcrown' stands for 'the One who has storm bearing clouds over his head'. Talos was said to have thunder clouds surrounding him. Either it was a result of the Storm Call Shout being seen or a way of marking his magnificence. Like we say Alexander the Great.

[MARS]

I don't really see how non-statements contribute to the discussion at hand.

[ProphetDragon]

How about we just call him 'general Talos' for the one under King Culecain and 'Emperor Tiber' as the emperor.

Sorry, Sorry; dozed off. My grandpa died on 11th.