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Potential Loss of a Free Internet

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Today, a federal appeals court handed over control of free speech on the Internet to a handful of companies. This is why it matters.

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Say you’re an NRA Republican. You’re from Tennessee. The websites you go to on a daily basis are Yahoo for your email and news, ESPN for your sports, and TNGunOwners.com, a message board to talk about your day at the range.

What if one day your access to your email is fine, your Tim Tebow coverage from ESPN is as loud as ever, and TNGunOwners.com inexplicably took 4-to-6 times longer to load? What if you called your Internet service provider and their answer was, “That’s just the way it is now”?

Say you’re a Whole Foods-pillagin’ Democrat. You’re from Portland. You go to GMail for your email, MSNBC for your news, Reddit for your cat videos, and an indie music blog like Said The Gramophone to find your music.

One day, your access to Gmail is fine, your Rachel Maddow clips are coming in clear as day, and that YouTube video of a cat taking a bath on Reddit is rolling along smoothly. But it takes so long to load one song from that indie music blog you just turn on the radio.

Say you’re entirely apolitical. It doesn’t matter where you live. You’re struggling with depression because it’s hard to cope with your mother’s recently diagnosed cancer. You go to cancerforums.net. You go to takethislife.com for help, when you can’t read the cancer forum anymore.

One day, those sites take ten times longer to load than they did before. What if you called your Internet service provider and their answer was, “Verizon now throttles bandwidth to websites from the non-Premium Tier. Would you like to upgrade?”

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A federal appeals court ruled that the FCC can no longer enforce which websites Verizon and all other broadband providers can favor, limit access to, or outright block — even if it’s to prop up a service or website of their own.

This is not a binary political issue. It is not a Republican or Democrat issue.

This is naked corporate greed. It is a bunch of companies who want to control the largest free information platform in the world.

There is nothing good that an individual can derive from this decision. Nothing.

Before someone tells you otherwise, Internet service providers’ backs were not against the wall in any way. “Bandwidth congestion” is not real. It costs just as much money, if not more money, to cap the data flowing through your broadband connection as it does to serve it to you. Data caps are solely a money-making construct.

Average connection speeds in South Korea are twice as fast as those in the United States. That gap will grow even wider now. This ruling is anti-competitive for American business on a global level.

Tech giants Google, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix and Yahoo have come out against rulings like this in the past. Instead, the decision favors companies with access to pipelines, like Comcast. It will help them use the Internet as a marketing tool for its other ventures, like NBC Universal.

The very best scenario a consumer can hope for is this: Companies will start offering “unlimited” Internet plans to access the Internet you currently see today. The Web will be partitioned off into sections, like cable tiers, and those ISPs will offer speedier connections to certain kinds of websites if you buy into each tier.

The very worst a consumer can expect is that some information will be deemed too unsavory for public consumption, while select corporate messages can be blasted to your home at lightning speed.

This is not a political story. This is corporate greed at its most blatant and obvious.
So, what do you guys think this means for the future of the web? Sounds like the best we can do is sit back and watch to see if Google and other internet giants will duke it out with the FCC or not.
Also, if you feel so inclined (or enraged) petition is here:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... s/5CWS1M4P
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Lol. Except for on the boards, I can say what the f I want to on the internet and I don't fear no loss of a free internet as the internet has grown larger than life. It almost bigger than the universe. Try controlling that. Bye bye Echelon!
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There would want to be some intense collaboration among the big player ISPs for this to happen. And it would be a temporary problem for us, perhaps taking a few years for ethical ISPs to bring back a free internet.
the Savage Hippie wrote:Lol. Except for on the boards, I can say what the f I want to on the internet...
It's not freedom as in freedom of speech that's in jeopardy here. It's freedom to access sites you'd like to access such as YouTube or some other site that high-level ISPs, such as Verizon, wish to limit or block your access.

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It's not like this isn't happening already with internet providers. Throttling speeds already happens, just not on a site by site basis. I agree this is a serious subject that deserves some polite discussion, but we will lock the thread if we need to. Not because of the topic, but the way the topic is treated. "inb4 locked thread" is not the kind of mature response we're hoping for.
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I was being optimistic with my retort. The world went well along without running out of a battery charge.
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Yes, many ISPs throttle BitTorrent traffic that passes through them, probably because they think that BitTorrent is only used for pirating copyrighted material. However, this is easily circumvented as is any attempt by anyone to block anyone from accessing anything on the internet. Proxies, VPNs, SSH tunnels...Unless ISPs ban encrypted traffic entirely(the consequences of which would involve there being no more online banking, secure Facebook sessions), it's all good in the hood.
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I was talking about "packages" that are sold by the ISPs. $20/mo. gets you our basic service with 7MB/s down and .5MB/s up, $30 gets you 10/1, $50 gets you 20/2. At least that's how it is here with Time Warner. The faster the download/upload speeds the more money it costs. When I upgraded to a faster speed it was instantaneous, meaning the throttling was being done on their end. So, it's already happening, just not on a site by site basis.
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the Savage Hippie wrote:Lol. Except for on the boards, I can say what the f I want to on the internet and I don't fear no loss of a free internet as the internet has grown larger than life. It almost bigger than the universe. Try controlling that. Bye bye Echelon!
I can agree that controlling the entire internet is seemingly impossible. However lobbyists and special interest groups could shut down google, bing and yahoo overnight if they wanted to. I don't see this happening, it's just an interesting point.
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Well, yeah, perhaps they can control access and shut down sites, but from the cinders of fallen sites new ones will rise.
But allowing groups of interest to shut down sites they don't like is rubbish. It's like allowing people to kill other people - because they didn't like them. I see no potential loss, but I must admit to being angry right now as Hariboe has just been forced to remove some of the candy pieces in one of their wares because a group of people found it racist... Don't censor that much.
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I'd rather that neither the government, nor the corporations have that sort of power. The one hope that this ruling gives us is that, theoretically, we as individuals have just as much right to establish our own internet service provider and distribute as we see fit, which really gives us back the power (and I'm all for that). At first one might think that everyday people doing something like that is impossible, or at least improbable, but I've heard of many cases where private individuals were able to band together and find the money and the resources to do just as improbable things. V's Tor Project seems like it's worth investigating.
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To actually answer the topic, a lot of people ignore the fact that ISPs aren't peddling some vital right like water. It's not as if that ISPs are legally required to give you "Pure 100% Unadulterated Internet." ISPs give you a service, and you agree exactly for what that service is. If, for some reason, an ISP wants to throttle traffic to a website, you permitting them to do that by paying for their service. It's not unconstitutional in any means. If you don't want your Internet throttled, and most likely, the websites you use won't get throttled (And they probably won't ever be), just use a different service provider. It's not complicated.
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What about those who live in rural areas who only have one ISP available to them?
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Alarra wrote:What about those who live in rural areas who only have one ISP available to them?
Or worse, someone who has several ISPs available to them, but each has decided to go the "bundling" route.

I think most people won't even realize what's going on. Just like premium channels cost more on Cable & Satellite, non-premium websites may end up costing a bit more. I realize they're not the same, as cable and satellite providers actually pay to have the premium channels in their lineup and ISPs aren't charged by individual websites to provide access to them. Most people won't know that, though.
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