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scribbane wrote:"Jane Austen is entirely impossible to read. It seems a great pity that they allowed her to die a natural death."-Mark Twain

This is easily the best thing I've read tonight. I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in my thinking that Jane Austen was a terrible writer. I've never wished death upon her though. Mark took it to another level entirely didn't he?
"I haven't any right to criticise books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticise Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone."

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The quote I found was in a chapter entitled "Feminism" for a Post-Modernist English class I am taking. Twain's quote was in a list of other major male authors of the Western literary canon and their regards towards women and female author's. Most I found pretty backwards, but I felt like Twain's assessment of Austen was just funny and not insulting towards women as a whole, but just her.
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Elune wrote:
scribbane wrote:"Jane Austen is entirely impossible to read. It seems a great pity that they allowed her to die a natural death."-Mark Twain

This is easily the best thing I've read tonight. I'm glad to know that I'm not alone in my thinking that Jane Austen was a terrible writer. I've never wished death upon her though. Mark took it to another level entirely didn't he?
"I haven't any right to criticise books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticise Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone."

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I've read enough of "Pride and Prejudice" to know that the subject matter doesn't interest me, so there's no need to revisit it.
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Pride and Prejudice was the most pretentious and narcissistic act of feminism I have ever seen.
It was not a good book and I suggest you save your eyes the pain of reading it.
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VirtualWeasel wrote:Pride and Prejudice was the most pretentious and narcissistic act of feminism I have ever seen.
It was not a good book and I suggest you save your eyes the pain of reading it.
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I think I disliked Emma more than I disliked Pride and Prejudice. Emma was very much the diary of high school girl told in an overly detailed novel. I never cared what was happening because she was such an annoying character, so full of herself and the way Austen wrote her, you would think she was supposed to be the second coming of Christ. I just couldn't stand her, never cared what was happening with anyone in the story and if I wanted to hear about teenage drama, I would just turn on MTV.

Though I still despised reading Pride and Prejudice, there did seem to be a more tolerable mix of characters. I still did not care about any of their problems, but I at least never got the impression that I was supposed to think the sisters' farts smelled of roses like I did with Emma.
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Translation from Frostyese to English: "Twain, a popular and American classical author, does not agree with my stance on Feminism. I must therefore make a random statement with hidden disapproval because I already know that most here agree more with Twain than with me: What is wrong with you, Twain."
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Not sure if it's just my brain, but I like Br3ad's version better.
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I'm impressed he got all of that from that little post.
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Mark Twain may have been a brilliant mind, but his time also made him a terrible person.
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All y'all [&@%!] insulting Jane Austen and P&P don't know a thang about literature. It's a brilliantly put together satire and critique of the very society Austen had been raised in mixed with a genuinely compelling love story with actual depth and interest.
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Just be glad your first exposure to P&P wasn't the movie with Keira Knightley.
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It was this actually:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pride_and_ ... TV_series)

Forget the film, this was when the BBC actually made good things.
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Oh, by the way, funny news for you. This place that I'm currently writing an email to warned me that all 4 of my potential flat-mates are white cis people, in case I'm offended by that.
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You actually have moved into Social Justice land, haven't you? And here I thought we'd moved past that period when it was socially acceptable to judge people based on their skin colour and gender.
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Well the good news are that these people claim to undogmatic and want to leave differences at the door. Aparrently they also revel in chaos and steal each others' clothes. I want this and dread this at the same time.

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Hey there! In our slightly chaotic home, there will be a room available from the 1st of November. We’re a group of 5 people who are currently working, studying and/or being lazy, living in an apartment without very much space.

In a lot of ways we are something in between. We are trying to live as a community and share as much as possible, but we all have different ideas about in what way and to what extent we want to live in a collective way. We respect and enjoy that everyone has defined differently what living together means to them. Every person has their own room. Some of us like sharing their sleeping space, some feel uncomfortable about strangers sleeping in their bed, in some rooms you’re allowed to search all the draws for a pair of underpants to borrow, and with some people, a closed door means they do not want to be disturbed. What you find in the living room you may use, but that does not means that you can just throw it away or break it.

Some of us are interested in animal rights and live a vegan lifestyle, some others quite enjoy to say things that are quite discriminating against dogs. Some don’t have a problem at all with killing animals for food, and some cannot digest dairy products anyways. We don’t feel the need to make a problem out of these differences, but within the flat, we eat mostly vegan. We buy our food communally and try to buy mostly organic food. When someone cooks something, it’s enough for everyone and vegan.

Some of us try to adapt a less civilised lifestyle by trying to recycle more and waste less, the more DIY everything looks the better. Some have high expectations in the interior design of the flat and want everything to be neat and clean. Some are constantly putting bizarre items on the walls, some others would rather prefer a lot of space and emptiness. This has created a weird mix of styles within the flat that blurs the differences between crappy and alternative and between bourgeois and hip.

Some of us are politically active in different ways and some are interested in leftist values on a theoretical level. Some have a passion for discussing about gender roles, whereas others don’t take the sarcastic usage of polical incorrectness too seriously. It is very important to us that our flat stays a place where opinions and knowledge can be exchanged without anyone being indeliberately pulled into or pushed out of these discussions*. We don’t think much of the tendency in some circles to use a leftist lifestyle and political attitudes for creating hierarchies and competition about who can make the most alternative and cool and radical and politically correct impression.

Some of us are spending a lot of time with their studies, some are doing paid work on a regular basis, some have a very active social life and some are spending a lot of time on the sofa. We all have in common that we invest a lot of time and energy in the communal living, and some strong friendships have evolved out of that.

We are living in a quite ugly new building, a single gray and olive-green concrete block. This has some advantages and some disadvantages. Inside the flat, the walls are not very sound-proof, so it’s not possible to be very loud at night. The walls to the neighbours and the windows are exceptionally sound-proof though, so for parties there is no time constraint. The ceilings are low but quite stable, so you can hang up your bed, but it’s going to be in your way. We have a large comfortable living room with a kitchen corner, a south-side balcony, 5 rooms and an olm living in the storage room. Our flat is on the ground and first floor, most rooms point south. On the south side of the house there is a playground, so there is roughly any car noise, but a lot of child shouting.

The available room is 11 m², 255 € per month (will probably be 260 € soon) and has some furniture that would love stay there. Among the flat equipment there is a circular saw, a server, a Nepalese pressure cooker, a washing machine, an epilator “for men”, a chandelier, a fridge, a stuffed hawk, an empty picture frame, a dishwasher, a bed on the balcony and a toaster (half of these words we had to look up). Included in the rent are all costs including internet, only the communal food expenses will add to that.

We are looking forward to hearing about you and about what you can contribute to the flat. If you are interested, write us an e-mail and give us a first impression about you.

Best wishes,
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Veck wrote:All y'all [&@%!] insulting Jane Austen and P&P don't know a thang about literature. It's a brilliantly put together satire and critique of the very society Austen had been raised in mixed with a genuinely compelling love story with actual depth and interest.
I don't actually think it is a satire. It seems more that she placed her characters in the world with no sort of social commentary in mind. As for a "compelling love story" I suppose that's opinion and I have to say I disagree. I was never interested in the relationships, though I concede that they were perhaps not as shallow as I'd like to believe. We did get to see the workings and feelings of each couple, but that did not make it any more appealing to me. The nicest way I could put it was that it was a tedious read, with far too much focus on character development and not enough story action to move things along.
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@Mars: That sounds like a sitcom waiting to happen. Or possibly happening, based on the last note.
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Mars wrote:Well the good news are that these people claim to undogmatic and want to leave differences at the door. Aparrently they also revel in chaos and steal each others' clothes. I want this and dread this at the same time.

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Hey there! In our slightly chaotic home, there will be a room available from the 1st of November. We’re a group of 5 people who are currently working, studying and/or being lazy, living in an apartment without very much space.

In a lot of ways we are something in between. We are trying to live as a community and share as much as possible, but we all have different ideas about in what way and to what extent we want to live in a collective way. We respect and enjoy that everyone has defined differently what living together means to them. Every person has their own room. Some of us like sharing their sleeping space, some feel uncomfortable about strangers sleeping in their bed, in some rooms you’re allowed to search all the draws for a pair of underpants to borrow, and with some people, a closed door means they do not want to be disturbed. What you find in the living room you may use, but that does not means that you can just throw it away or break it.

Some of us are interested in animal rights and live a vegan lifestyle, some others quite enjoy to say things that are quite discriminating against dogs. Some don’t have a problem at all with killing animals for food, and some cannot digest dairy products anyways. We don’t feel the need to make a problem out of these differences, but within the flat, we eat mostly vegan. We buy our food communally and try to buy mostly organic food. When someone cooks something, it’s enough for everyone and vegan.

Some of us try to adapt a less civilised lifestyle by trying to recycle more and waste less, the more DIY everything looks the better. Some have high expectations in the interior design of the flat and want everything to be neat and clean. Some are constantly putting bizarre items on the walls, some others would rather prefer a lot of space and emptiness. This has created a weird mix of styles within the flat that blurs the differences between crappy and alternative and between bourgeois and hip.

Some of us are politically active in different ways and some are interested in leftist values on a theoretical level. Some have a passion for discussing about gender roles, whereas others don’t take the sarcastic usage of polical incorrectness too seriously. It is very important to us that our flat stays a place where opinions and knowledge can be exchanged without anyone being indeliberately pulled into or pushed out of these discussions*. We don’t think much of the tendency in some circles to use a leftist lifestyle and political attitudes for creating hierarchies and competition about who can make the most alternative and cool and radical and politically correct impression.

Some of us are spending a lot of time with their studies, some are doing paid work on a regular basis, some have a very active social life and some are spending a lot of time on the sofa. We all have in common that we invest a lot of time and energy in the communal living, and some strong friendships have evolved out of that.

We are living in a quite ugly new building, a single gray and olive-green concrete block. This has some advantages and some disadvantages. Inside the flat, the walls are not very sound-proof, so it’s not possible to be very loud at night. The walls to the neighbours and the windows are exceptionally sound-proof though, so for parties there is no time constraint. The ceilings are low but quite stable, so you can hang up your bed, but it’s going to be in your way. We have a large comfortable living room with a kitchen corner, a south-side balcony, 5 rooms and an olm living in the storage room. Our flat is on the ground and first floor, most rooms point south. On the south side of the house there is a playground, so there is roughly any car noise, but a lot of child shouting.

The available room is 11 m², 255 € per month (will probably be 260 € soon) and has some furniture that would love stay there. Among the flat equipment there is a circular saw, a server, a Nepalese pressure cooker, a washing machine, an epilator “for men”, a chandelier, a fridge, a stuffed hawk, an empty picture frame, a dishwasher, a bed on the balcony and a toaster (half of these words we had to look up). Included in the rent are all costs including internet, only the communal food expenses will add to that.

We are looking forward to hearing about you and about what you can contribute to the flat. If you are interested, write us an e-mail and give us a first impression about you.

Best wishes,
the inhabitants of Britzer Kiste

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I think you may want to continue looking as i suspect it could end up being an unpleasent place to live and it does sound a bit dodgy.
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feelin' good you guys? I know I am.
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Yes. Am not longer sulking because i got laid off on Monday. That said, i'm being an utter lazy git untill Sunday then start my quest for a job. And no, dey did not tuuk mah jurb. That said, i'm a bit glad that i got laid off during this time of the year due to the amount of christmas jobs that are available instead of a dead period of the year so i should be able to get employed by Christmas. anyway, that's enough about me and since when did you become an evil new war god? :shock:
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the Savage Hippie wrote:feelin' good you guys? I know I am.
I feel like ur waiting to tell us something...?
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I think you may want to continue looking as i suspect it could end up being an unpleasent place to live and it does sound a bit dodgy.
I'm really hard pressed for a place. Plus, I kinda like that. I'm a hippie at heart.
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No, I told you all of it yesterday, but you were busy speaking about chocolate Aarah.

And Mars, hippie at heart, wonderful. I too am a hippie of heart.
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