Bioshock

[Generalno1]

I know. I like mine better.

[Argonanza]

Final battle is hella easy with fully upgraded Shock Jockey and Carbine.

[Generalno1]

liked the crows and hand cannon better. Did you have storm?
Oh wait. fully upgraded jockey. Left out those aids once I found the hat.

[The Tom]

I'm not looking forward to doing that on 1999 mode. Hell, I hardly passed it on Normal, and I was using Shock Jockey and the carbine. Until the carbine ran out and I had to use a sniper rifle.

[Argonanza]

Just finished 1999 mode. One and a half Carbine round to the gears will destroy those pesky Patriots in a jiffy.

[Generalno1]

I did hard the first time around, And boy, was it awful.
The patriots themselves weren't that bad. The men barely a threat, since I had crows maxed.
I died a few times when a random RPG man showed up though.

[The Tom]

The worst was the grenade guy. The one you get Devil's Kiss from? He was the mini-boss who showed up the most and he made cover practically worthless. My shield barely had time to recharge before he'd be spamming me again. Thankfully I found a piece of gear that made my shield recharge almost instantly and it made him a bit easier to handle.

I've been trying to play other games this week to take my mind off Bioshock. (On Monday I even went into London but Forbidden Planet - which is like our version of a comic book store - had a whole window display for the game so it didn't do much to help.) But I can't get the songs out of my head. I'll be flying along in Planetside 2 or whatever and suddenly I'll catch myself humming Will the Circle Be Unbroken, or wondering which part of the barbershop quartet I'd be if we ever sung God Only Knows. And then I'll get distracted and killed.

Help me.

[Generalno1]

I know the feeling. i've been the same for ages.

thankfully college and dota are taking my mind off things. Though I doubt I'll ever stop getting sad when i think about the ending.

[Angrun]

Started playing a few days ago and am noticing a "baptism motif" that I find interesting:

Spoiler:

Seems every time the game "auto-kills" you, being immersed in water is involved in rebirth. Almost drowning and waking up on beach. Literal and figurative baptism seem recurring..
I understand near the end of the game there is a voxphone whatever vid and the camera falls into water...

Does the game do ANY auto-kills on Booker that are NOT baptism motif related? Just curious, I will soon find out...

[Generalno1]

Oh geez.
You are right on the money.

It doesn't happen all the time obviously, but you aren't imaginig the baptism theme. It occurs from time to time.

Guy-Are you afraid of god?
Me- No, but I'm afraid of you
Guy-What?
Me- Nothing, never mind

his question was unrelated to the game.

[The Tom]

So he was just randomly asking you if you were afraid of god? Ok ...

As for the baptism thing, it's there, but it's not meant to be taken literally. One of the game's artists apparently quit because he thought the game was being anti-religious. I think it's just not for ignorant people.

[Generalno1]

We're a religious Country Tom.

And obviously not literal. It's a big metaphor.

[Angrun]

So he was just randomly asking you if you were afraid of god? Ok ...

As for the baptism thing, it's there, but it's not meant to be taken literally. One of the game's artists apparently quit because he thought the game was being anti-religious. I think it's just not for ignorant people.

The baptism motif shows up figuratively and literally it seems. The whole "rebirth" is an essential part of the game, so baptism is interesting I find. Haven't come across anything really anti-religion per se so far.

[Angrun]

Oh geez.
You are right on the money.

It doesn't happen all the time obviously, but you aren't imaginig the baptism theme. It occurs from time to time.
.

The baptism motif has happened EVERY time for me so far. From starting the game on a floating boat to waking up on the beach at Battle Ship Bay - my current location. Being reborn / restarted after a GAME generated AUTO-"kill" is what I am refering to...

Is there a Game Generated auto-"kill" that is NOT baptism motif related? You can let me know in a spoiler - I don't mind. Just curious, I will find out as I play...

[ZackyZombify]

There's not many choices during the game. I just remember

Spoiler:

the amulet (dove or cage) or sparing or killing that soldier. Spade? Slate? Wtv.

[The Tom]

We're a religious Country Tom.

And obviously not literal. It's a big metaphor.

I meant that the game wasn't for ignorant people. The artist quit because MASSIVE ENDING SPOILER DONOTCLICK

Spoiler:

he thought that Booker becoming Comstock after a baptism was a 'religion=evil' message. He clearly hadn't actually seen the rest of the game.

[julystork]

The worst was the grenade guy. The one you get Devil's Kiss from? He was the mini-boss who showed up the most and he made cover practically worthless. My shield barely had time to recharge before he'd be spamming me again. Thankfully I found a piece of gear that made my shield recharge almost instantly and it made him a bit easier to handle.

I've been trying to play other games this week to take my mind off Bioshock. (On Monday I even went into London but Forbidden Planet - which is like our version of a comic book store - had a whole window display for the game so it didn't do much to help.) But I can't get the songs out of my head. I'll be flying along in Planetside 2 or whatever and suddenly I'll catch myself humming Will the Circle Be Unbroken, or wondering which part of the barbershop quartet I'd be if we ever sung God Only Knows. And then I'll get distracted and killed.

Help me.

Myself found Handymen harder than Firemen.

And the worst thing to do is listen to Will the Circle Be Unbroken right after watching the ending. Because you'll

Spoiler:

just cry "WHY MUST LIZ DIE?" and cry & cry

But if you think about the lyrics, it seems to describe Bioshock Infinite. Like Levine wrote the story around the song.

[Argonanza]

Yeah, I got used to Firemen pretty quickly. Handymen on the other.. hand, recover from Shock Jockey almost instantly and can pounce at you from faaaaar away.

[Generalno1]

Firemen were dead easy late game.
Undertow+hand cannon.

[The Tom]

Yeah, I got used to Firemen pretty quickly. Handymen on the other.. hand, recover from Shock Jockey almost instantly and can pounce at you from faaaaar away.

And electrify the sky rails. 'GET DOWN FROM THE THING!'

[Generalno1]

Handy men.
I think I only took one down without dying on the zeppelin.

though then again, I killed the last 2 by air strike.
Which looks awesome.

[Kerr]

The gameplay itself in Infinite is a step down from Bioshock in my opinion. It isn't bad it just isn't as good as Bioshock. I've heard it said that System Shock 2 is an Action RPG and that Bioshock is an action game with RPG bits. If that is true than Infinite is really just a shooter. I do prefer Bioshock over Infinite.

[Musicman247]

The only differences I found with the gameplay between the two was having Salts refill automatically instead of having to have an Eve hypo; hacking turrets and locks; and the secondary action of the Vigors. Other than that it was pretty much the same experience,

Spoiler:

which was what they were going for, based on the plot

[Argonanza]

And you can only have two weapons at once, which calls for strategy and specialization. And vigors and firearms have different buttons so you don't have to do the annoying switch like in the first game.

E: Oh, and Winterblast was replaced with Return To Sender.

[Kerr]

It is more linear like your normal shooter. I would recommend to anyone that they play Bioshock on Survivor with Vita Chambers off. You really have to think out your battles in that and you feel yourself grow in power. You really have to use all the tactics and everything you know to survive. At first 3 shots will kill you but later you can really stand on your own an dish out punishment. It is challenging but great fun.

In Bioshock there were splicers, daddies and security systems. You could make all 3 play off each other. Hypnotise daddies to fight splicers or hack turrets to help you out. The weapons and plasmids were all different enough and felt different. Each had different ammo types. In Infinite all the vigors can lay traps and I found myself playing with the environment less and being less creative. No setting a foe on fire so he would run into water where I could zap him. In Bioshock you could sneak around, turn invisible and shoot people in the head with a well placed crossbow bolt. Or you could shoot lightning at fools and blast them with a shotgun. Daddies were battle you had to plan for in advance and do when you were ready. Handy Men appear when the designers think you should fight one. With only being allowed take two guns I didn't want to experiment, I wanted to keep my RPG and Shotgun/Hand Cannon because that worked. If I dropped my Hand Cannon I might not get one for ages. And I can't drop the RPG in case a Handy Man shows up. The areas are less open, you don't really explore them anymore. Now you just more from place to place shooting everything that gets in your way. This isn't to say it is bad, but I prefer what Bioshock did.