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 Post subject: Re: Crispy-chicken-goodness boycott? And Jeebus..? Oh my..
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Here's a question: Who the hell cares what anyone else does?
A. It's none of my buisness what someone does behind closed doors.
B. If you believe in God, the Bible actually does talk about free will. God lets man make his own sins. If you are going to comment on your religon, you better at least know it first.
C. Our personal opinions on a matter should not effect another's rights. In Christianity, it's a sin to not accept Jesus, that doesn't stop any Jewish weddings. Or any Islamic weddings, or Buddist.
So the point is, no one is making you be gay. No one is making you live with any gay people. No one is saying you have to accept gay people. No makes you be around gay people. So why do you care? Telling one person to not be gay, will not get you any reward, in this life or the next. Neither will telling a gay person that they can not get married. It will not affect you. I do not like people showing public showing of "gay affection", but that is not because they are gay. It's because that is not my buisness, and I do not want to see anyone, straight, gay, or bi, make their private issues and affections public.

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Here is one, why do they need to marry? what dose marriage do for them?
Christians do it cause its away to have sex with out sin and is commanded by God

soooo why do they need it?

Give me one reason they need to have a fancy thing and ceremony to be happy and they need to do this?

Benefits? if they are doing it for the benefits are they doing it for the right reasons?

is not marrying to get benefits illegal?

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Marriage provides benefits to couples who seek to enter into a major social contract with each other, promising to uphold their responsibilities within said contract.

And what are you talking about, with illegality? Heteros get married for money all of the time, and it's viewed as essentially legal to do so (research "Kim Kardashian").

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It's not that we can't answer you, Wolfie.. It's just that UESP has rules about being nice and not calling you an idiot who has no idea what he's talking about,
and you just broke that rule, if you cant talk with out insulting I'd dare say your doing the same thing you claim others are doing to gays.

You claim we are intolerable but anyone who disagrees with you has no idea what they are talking about and is an idiot

Your right it depends on the state so why bring up the laws saying this means EVREY state should?

Sooo I find it funny you say “marriage is this” and then when I point something out you change it and say “well no it depends on the state”

It's not an insult if it's true.

And no, dingleberry, I was pointing-out that religion has nothing to do with marriage any longer, in all legal sense.


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Christianity and gays dont mix. Im pretty sure there is quite a few passages in the Bible about the Christian God hating gays.
Oh... And one more thing.
Humanity started, according to the KJV Bible, with Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
But honestly I could care less if you wanted to be gay, just dont ask me out.

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Here is one, why do they need to marry? what dose marriage do for them?
Christians do it cause its away to have sex with out sin and is commanded by God

soooo why do they need it?

I know a few Believers in Christ who are homosexual. So, to them, marriage would mean the same as it would to any other Believer.

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Christianity and gays dont mix. Im pretty sure there is quite a few passages in the Bible about the Christian God hating gays.

Sorry, but this is just wrong. According to Jesus' teachings God loves everyone no matter who or what they are.

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R'Zahr, wanna go out?

Actually, scratch that. House of Wolf, your posts are so freaking awesome. Want to come to Canada and prove to them how awesome gay marriage really is? Booyah!

By the way, this would probably fall under the 'trolling' category, Fry.


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God loves everyone, God hates no one. In the grand sceme of things, I doubt being gay matters in the long run, since there is only one inforgivable sin. Being gay is not that sin. READ the Bible before you comment on it.

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B. If you believe in God, the Bible actually does talk about free will. God lets man make his own sins. If you are going to comment on your religion, you better at least know it first.

Show me one place it says free will, it never dose.



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C. Our personal opinions on a matter should not effect another's rights. In Christianity, it's a sin to not accept Jesus, that doesn't stop any Jewish weddings. Or any Islamic weddings, or Buddist.

Because he says marriage is for ALL mankind between a man and a women not just those who belive in Christ.

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So the point is, no one is making you be gay. No one is making you live with any gay people. No one is saying you have to accept gay people
first two truth enough last one not true, in fact that want it to be illegal to not accept them, to the point where we will be FORCED to marry them.


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So why do you care?
becuse God says marrige is for a man and a women, and the laws would allowed them to have marriages in church and be wrong to NOT do it just like its wrong to not marry a black and white couple.

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Telling onw person to not be gay, will not get you any reward, in this life or the next.

Show me one place where any of us on here tried to do that

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Neither will telling a gay person that they can not get married. It will not affect you.
yes it will because if they get their way we will be forced under law to marry them.

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I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.

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R'Zahr, wanna go out?

Actually, scratch that. House of Wolf, your posts are so freaking awesome. Want to come to Canada and prove to them how awesome gay marriage really is? Booyah!

By the way, this would probably fall under the 'trolling' category, Fry.

Does Canada allow polygamy? :D

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I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.

I would have to agree.

I don't think the problem is with the threads themselves, but with people taking the arguments personally.

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Jesus f*ck, you're thick, Wolfie.

Legalizing gay marriage

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force any church or pastor to perform the ceremony. Heck, plenty of hetero couples have ceremonies at town hall nowadays.

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Actually, House of Wolf, that matter is currently being seen to by the Supreme Court of Canada. There's a town in BC called Bountiful where a bunch of CLDS folks are practising it.

I actually have no problem with polyamorous marriage, as opposed to polygamy in the traditional sense.


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Actually, House of Wolf, that matter is currently being seen to by the Supreme Court of Canada. There's a town in BC called Bountiful where a bunch of CLDS folks are practising it.

I actually have no problem with polyamorous marriage, as opposed to polygamy in the traditional sense.

Damn it. You're richer than us (per median and average income), more progressive than us, safer than us, and more sensible than us...and now (soon to be) more fun than us.

Doesn't matter. We still have Chick-fil-a :) :| :( :cry:


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Marriage provides benefits to couples who seek to enter into a major social contract with each other, promising to uphold their responsibilities within said contract.


And what are you talking about, with illegality? Heteros get married for money all of the time, and it's viewed as essentially legal to do so (research "Kim Kardashian").

It's not an insult if it's true.

And no, dingleberry, I was pointing-out that religion has nothing to do with marriage any longer, in all legal sense.

#1 Yes it dose, but do those bennfits need to be a right? do you need to have this contract to be happy with the other person? is there no other reason for marriage?

#3 wow once again you have to insult, can you please try not to do that? you broke the rules twice already. Go take a break breath in and breath out, if this keeps up your going to get in trouble and I DONT want that
#4 I disagree with that, there is no "fact" on that anywhere, but my point was more of churches do marriages more then any other place, we would be forced to marry two gays which goes against our beliefs

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Yes becuse right now churches can say no, but chruches HAVE to marry other things even if they dont agree with it right now, you turn someone down you get ilegal trouble in many cases,

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Whoa, let's not bash religon, just because it doesn't agree with everyone's views. I respect your beliefs, please respect mine. And Wolfie, shpw me in the Bible wjere it doesn't, and show me where any gay person said we have to marry them. If you mean, pronounce them XY-XY or XX-XX, no one can make you do anything. Someone chose to do that job, and will choose to do it after any Bill passes. If you mean to actually make you marry them, WTF are you talking about?

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Wolfie, yes. I don't think you quite understand what marriage actually is, and that's where this entire disconnect centers.


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I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.

I would have to agree.

I don't think the problem is with the threads themselves, but with people taking the arguments personally.


It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.

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And what are you talking about, with illegality? Heteros get married for money all of the time, and it's viewed as essentially legal to do so (research "Kim Kardashian").

It's not an insult if it's true.

And no, dingleberry, I was pointing-out that religion has nothing to do with marriage any longer, in all legal sense.

#1 Yes it dose, but do those bennfits need to be a right? do you need to have this contract to be happy with the other person? is there no other reason for marriage?

#3 wow once again you have to insult, can you please try not to do that? you broke the rules twice already. Go take a break breath in and breath out, if this keeps up your going to get in trouble and I DONT want that
#4 I disagree with that, there is no "fact" on that anywhere, but my point was more of churches do marriages more then any other place, we would be forced to marry two gays which goes against our beliefs

you are aware when you say that "it goes against our beliefs", most of us don't really think gay marriage is wrong, for it to have benefits it needs to be coded under marriage which is a legal contract as House of the wolf already said, and marriage is a right, if you got the benefits from marriage by having two people say they love each other then everyone would be doing that just for the benefits which would harm the system

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There are many legal benefits of marriage that are the main reason why everyone should be able to get married, not religious reasons.

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Wolfie, yes. I don't think you quite understand what marriage actually is, and that's where this entire disconnect centers.


Oh this is rich let me guess, your and ONLY your side can define what marrige is and THATS the right one?


To me marriage was made BY GOD to be between a man and women

would you say thats wrong? I cant have my beliefs? I have to give that up?

the very idea of a man and a man marrying goes against what God says, he makes it clear that a marriage is man and women, not a man and a man

so to my beliefs gays cant marry because marriage is not FOR a man and a man


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you are aware when you say that "it goes against our beliefs", most of us don't really think gay marriage is wrong, for it to have benefits it needs to be coded under marriage which is a legal contract as House of the wolf already said, and marriage is a right, if you got the benefits from marriage by having two people say they love each other then everyone would be doing that just for the benefits which would harm our the system


I've alredy said I dont mind if they make something the same but dont make it our marrige system

they refuse evreything else of ours saying our ideas are wrong \stuipd and then they start taking our stuff and saying" shut up your a bigot"?

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Maybe we should, you know, start discussing the boycott.

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Also I'd like to point out insults for the most part have been one sided in this debate.

I'm proof you can have a debate with out insulting

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Technically, the idea of debating is to insult your opponent by "proving" their beliefs to be wrong.

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I never see the point in these threads. You can't get the other side to agree with you so it just turns to insults.

I would have to agree.

I don't think the problem is with the threads themselves, but with people taking the arguments personally.


It does go some way to supporting the theory that debating is merely a verbal fight.

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Wolfie, yes. I don't think you quite understand what marriage actually is, and that's where this entire disconnect centers.


Oh this is rich let me guess, your and ONLY your side can define what marrige is and THATS the right one?


To me marriage was made BY GOD to be between a man and women

would you say thats wrong? I cant have my beliefs? I have to give that up?

the very idea of a man and a man marrying goes against what God says, he makes it clear that a marriage is man and women, not a man and a man

so to my beliefs gays cant marry because marriage is not FOR a man and a man

That's nice. You can keep those beliefs. You just cannot deny others the right to their pursuit of 'equality' and happiness simply because they don't fall in line with what you believe.


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would you say thats wrong? I cant have my beliefs? I have to give that up?


As you said, you must follow the laws of the land before God. Marriage is the law of the land. You can't, as you said, pick and choose. Here are some examples of marriage benefits:

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joint adoption;
joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents);
status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent;
joint insurance policies for home, auto and health;
dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support;
immigration and residency for partners from other countries;
inheritance automatically in the absence of a will;
joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment;
inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate);
benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare;
spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home;
veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns;
joint filing of customs claims when traveling;
wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children;
bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child;
decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her;
crime victims' recovery benefits;
loss of consortium tort benefits;
domestic violence protection orders;
judicial protections and evidentiary immunity;
and more....


So yes Wolfie, I DO disagree with your half-view on the definition of marriage.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm/

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Okay, okay: God also commands you "Not to suffer a witch to live." Leviticus 20:27.

As I have mentioned before, does that make it your, and as you seem to be goddamn convinced, the government's god-given responsibility to murder any modern practitioners of wicca?


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