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Guess they are working on the next Beth title to be dumbed down. Don't see why they need a whole team to make another inferior product.

Mass Effect died after 1. 2 was basically a linear action game that ruined the story and gameplay because of EA interference (wanting to dumb it down). And by then, 3 didnt even matter since the series was already ruined and made into a cash grab joke.

I'd rather they remake Daggerfall. It was better in every way.

ES is the only cRPG medium that offers a single player tabletop type experience.
all except for being real time instead of turn based. for that you'd need to go back to Baldurs Gate or something of a similar genre.
Yeah, but I'm not necessarily talking about the combat, just the setting and ...

ES is the only cRPG medium that offers a single player tabletop type experience.

The magic in magic is manipulating it, not google eyeing over pretty graphics with no substance.
The magic in magic is using it strategically, outwitting your opponent. Being able to lay down a wall of fire around an opponent and then a rune that he steps on once through the wall is more magical ...

ZackyZombify wrote:

Xarnac the Conqueror wrote: Just because people didnt get everything out of their game is no argument against the people that did.

Ironic.

Not really.

Spell creation took no talent to use. It is not an argument for simplifying down because all you need was a few quest and some spells. Then you just mix things together so you could kill in a few hits. No you need more tactics to finish a battle with magic. It is true that maybe some actually used ...

Was this to me? Bring back spell creation and the missing effects.
I personally think spell creation was simplistic, and think Skyrim reaches toward Howard's goal with the arcane arts. I don't think that's a fix, it's just a wanting to go back to the "way it was" because you don't like the "way it ...

Avron the S'wit wrote:All right, then how would you "fix" magic?

Was this to me? Bring back spell creation and the missing effects. Not a hard fix, you just bring back what they cut.

On topic, the real answer is you don't give up. You keep being critical and calling out the problems and not accepting the bare minimum. Even if it is in vain.

For you maybe Xarnac. For me, it seemed fine. The fact of the matter is, you are not the only customer Bethesda has to make games for. It would be nice if they could cater to everyone, but you have to go after the largest crowd. You don't like, fine. Saying that because you can't make enemies ...

Your opinion, dear, hardly a fact. To each their own.

I freakin' love magic in Skyrim. :mrgreen:
Less of everything, just better graphics. That's objectively less, not an opinion. Putting the magic back in magic is not taking away nearly all customization and gimping it in every way but ...

Too bad he ruined magic in Skyrim.

If you can find it, that'd be great. I was around during the pre-release and didn't hear that, so I'd be curious to see proper attribution, otherwise it doesn't hold water in my books.

http://nerdtrek.com/skyrim-details/

Like I said, Todd's own words.

And there's actually two times he said it ...

Edit: Just you quoting it doesn't count. I'm actually curious.
I don't have links. It is pre release Beth PR. It is also widely known (especially the spell creation quote). Ask anybody that knows their stuff and was around pre release. I'll try to find links, but I'm going to be searching the ...

Too add substance to my previous post, it isn't nostalgia if you still go back to these games to play in ways that are simply not viable in later titles. No rose tinted glasses in the (legitimate) criticism of the series.



But on topic, Ob did handle some things pretty well. I always liked Ob lock ...

It wasn't a spreadsheet though. 3-4 variables is not a spreadsheet. Not to mention it is the same system as Enchanting. Where was the "We're getting rid of enchanting becasue it was too spreadsheety?"

I was referring to the underlying programming itself...
But what does a Dev programing spell ...

No, it isn't.

"Spell Creation was Spreadsheety"

-Todd Howard


TBF, is there any way of doing it without using a spreadsheet...
It wasn't a spreadsheet though. 3-4 variables is not a spreadsheet. Not to mention it is the same system as Enchanting. Where was the "We're getting rid of enchanting becasue it ...

Can you provide a link for that? I can't find where he said that.

"Spell Creation was Spreadsheety"

-Todd Howard


"We removed birth signs because people were ruining their builds with them"

-Todd or Pete

And that's two of many. They basically say, "You're too stupid for this feature." Which ...

It's dumbed down though, not streamlined. Even Beths PR said it. Cutting a ton of stuff lots of people used (as well as customization mechanics) and not replacing them, is not simplification - it is cutting and dumbing down.

Andere wrote:The human nature: when something new comes up, it's disclaimed by the ones who have liked the former. Nothing to be worried about. Elders always dislike what youngsters come forth with.

The way things go...

It's not really nostalgia though.

Yeah, it's undeniable that Sky is the most simplified and dumbed down of the series. It's pretty bad when the previous most criticized ES game (Oblivion) looks great in comparison.

I warned pre release of what was going to happen and only some listened (it wasnt hard when every PR or preview ...

Yeah, TWs have always been about Game play>Lore. It's why you get so many unrealistic or simply wrong units in the series.