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i realize that umbacano is only essential until the part of the quest when he travels to nenalata. however, i haven't been able to get him to actually show up at the ruin. instead, only claud appears...i'm assuming that it's possible for umba to die on the trip, as he's non-essential at this point. has anyone else had this happen?

If you did not get this Quest Message Update, then he should still be alive.

Umbacano died during the expedition to Nenalata. I failed in my duty to protect him. Now I will never know what secrets are hidden in the Throne Room of Nenalata.

Sometimes if you go there to early, the henchmen will show up, but Umbacano won't. He usually doesn't show up until the "3-day" time. This happened to me once, and all I did was "Wait" until he did show up.

i waited for the three days before going in the first place (i had errands to run) i then cleared the ruin have been waiting for him since day four after recieving this part of the quest. current save is on day five, with claud giving his irritating greetings and no umbacano...dangit i want that crown for my trophy room!

so it's been a month in game time and still no umbaccano and no message of his death. i guess i'm screwed. 360 needs a debug mode!

maybe he's still sitting home in his cumfy chair?

If you accepted another quest by Umbacano before finishing The Collector or the Nothing You Can Possess quest then the Secrets of the Ayleids quest is glitched..

Oblivion wrote:WARNING: It is recommended to find and sell all ten statues to Umbacano before starting Secrets of the Ayleids which follows Nothing You Can Possess. After the completion of Secrets of the Ayleids, The Collector cannot be completed successfully.

Or something to that effect.. Umbacano shows up exactly when he says he'll show up.

he's not home and i finished gettin all the statues before starting nothing you can posess like the wiki says. butler says he's not available at home, and i have no death message. i searched the house to be sure. i just wonder if he's standing out in the woods somewhere after being chased by a troll or something.

He showed up early for me! I did a quick trip to pick up a mage apprentice and a KOTN (not a 3 day journey!) and he was there when I arrived, he even had the cheek to say 'finally you got here'. Claud didn't though, he never showed up in my game (I wonder if I killed him earlier without realising it). It wasn't a problem though, just meant i used UESP wiki to find the ruin instead of finding it in game. Did waiting not work? It doesn't sound like he's dead, try continuing another quest then coming back, its alwats possible he's struggling to walk around a rock or something as well, npcs are stupid like that.

yeah i walked all around with a lot of detect life, i even took the path i thought he would have taken to the ruin. the map marker is green at the entrance and red if i enter...it's been a couple months game time and claud is still there as the offcial guardian of the place.