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Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter Q's
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:49 pm
by all_freed
hi
On pg 156 the Irinja has green eyes
He heard a familiar giggle, and his attention was drawn to a honey-haired young woman with mischievous green eyes.
on pg 168 blue
Her face appeared then, a young woman, probably about his age, with golden hair and a quirky, wide mouth and very blue eyes. He'd seen her before, at dinner.
questio: did her eyes change from green to blue because Nirai is mind controlling her or some magic is used to see through her eyes?
My 2nd question:
pg 234
Vile smiled and leaned back. "Right then," he sighed. "But that doesn't mean I'll let you alone. There are costs, whether a bargain is struck or not. You're clever, but you didn't think toward the long term, and you will regret it eventually. But here we are. Fine. Take the sword, but be careful not to wield it until it's time to thrust it in, yes? And I'll put you close. I can't put you in my city because he's made it so I can't see it, but it's going to the Imperal City, why don't I just send you there?"
on the same pg
Attrebus had come to expect surprises moving to and from Oblivion, but that didn't stop him from yelping when he appeared ten feet off the ground. He waved his arms desperately, striking a tree, which overbalanced him. He landed on his heels going back, and his butt took a lot of the force before his spine slapped into the pine needles and the all too-solid earth they covered.
is Viles long-term punishment to Attrebus to give him excruciating back pain or even crippled when he is older? i heard that landing on your butt and back from just 1 or 2 feet will cause lots of pain but when Attrebus landed on his butts and back from 10 feet then that's probably worse. what do you think?
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:56 pm
by legoless
The first question seems like a simple discrepancy to me. I can't really take your second question seriously - no, possible back pain in later life is not the reason Attrebus would regret making that deal with Vile. As for what it was, I couldn't say. The fact that Sul ends up dead and Attribus gets violently possessed by Vile at the conclusion of their quest makes it seems like a pretty raw bargain though.
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:02 pm
by all_freed
Thanks legoless.
Also Clavicus Vile wanted to try a get one of their souls, but Attrebus said "Stop!" before Sul could give his soul. Did Sul already give his soul even though he didn't utter his offer yet or are agreemented with th e daedra only sealed when it is spoken?
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2016 11:44 pm
by legoless
Don't think so. Either way I'm sure he was completely destroyed by jumping onto the ingenium. If Sul could deny Vile possession of Umbra by doing that, he could deny giving him his soul as well.
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:19 am
by all_freed
Oh so the ingenium destroyed sul and the sword! that means umbra doesn't exist anymore right? but what is this:
on pg 300
Light filled him and coarse, mocking laughter---but then he was gone.
The laughter is from umbra right? but why woul umbra laugh mockingly. is it because it is not truly destroyed?
also would Brennus and Mazgar have fallen and love? it sounded like they were flirting with each other.
2nd question: Lesspa is a khajiit right but is it possible for her to procreate with a elf since Attrebus said she looks like a elf?
3rd question: What is Qijne's wrist weapon? is it conjuration or destruction
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 12:24 am
by legoless
Is that Sul laughing? He was probably laughing at some grim irony, or mocking Vile. Umbra was not in control of Sul in his final moments. Also, yes, Umbra doesn't exist anymore.
Brennus and Mazgar had something going on, but it was more like a brotherly bond between soldiers in my opinion.
Some Khajiit furstocks look like Bosmer (see
this), but as far as I know the Khajiit cannot interbreed with man or mer.
Qijne's wrist weapon is pretty unique. I doubt it falls into one of the traditional schools of magic at all, but if I had to I'd actually categorize it as Alteration/Mysticism. It seems to bend reality rather than cause destruction or summon forth a blade.
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:03 am
by all_freed
Ok thanks again legoless. I think i am almost done.
the An-Xileel and Hierim used the evil hist tree to communicate with the Umbrian Hist trees right? how come they didn't use their power to escape, how come they need Glim to become their leader?
and on pg 296 Glim tried to use the power to transport the city but something stopped him:
But it was ancient, and the trees bent to it from long habit.
The ancient power is Umbra right? but aren't the Hist older than Umbra so why do they have to listen to it?
And why did the hist tree in Lilmoth become alone and crazy?
And finally is Annaig half breton and half redguard? because she calls Hecua her aunt.
Re: Greg keyes' lord of souls - is it mind control? and oter
Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:48 am
by legoless
I can't really remember much about the whole over-arching plot to bring Umbriel to White-Gold. The tree in Lilmoth controlled the An-Xileel, since all rootborn Argonians owe their souls to their mother Hist. When the tree turned evil, the local elite followed, and helped the Hist communicate with that guy in the Imperial City. The tree in Lilmoth wasn't the only one to go crazy either - other settlements had apparently suffered the same fate. No one knew why it was happening.
The Umbrian Hist were called to Tamriel by the Lilmoth Hist because they were not aware of the danger. Umbriel was lost in the Void, so the singing of a fellow Hist allowed them to 'steer' the city towards Tamriel, eventually plopping out in the ocean south of Lilmoth. Although 'sentient', the Umbrian trees are much stupider than their Tamrielic equivalents.
Mere-Glim acted as their champion because he was the only free agent in that city. In his first life, he was a member of a species elevated by the Tamrielic Hist, and as a hatchling he was enlightened through their sap. In his second life, he was born of Umbriel, grown from the same creatia that formed the entire city, which was all produced by the Umbrian Hist. In this way, he was linked to both Tamriel and Umbriel, which allowed him to pull the Umbrian Hist away from the ancient power which they bent to once the ingenium was destroyed.
What was that ancient power? Not sure. It wasn't Umbra. Maybe it was some combination of the allure of White-Gold, the raw power of the ingenium, or the call of the Tamrielic Hist, all three demanding that Umbriel join with their reality.
As for Annaig, she's definitely a Breton. There are no true half-breeds in TES. Maybe she has Redguard blood in her, but her mother must have been Breton.