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A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:01 pm
by Jeelius-Tei
I have been wondering, what if I do not wish to be a part of the PVP. What if I prefer to wander Cyrodiil as a civilian, and not a member of the conflict? Would I somehow get caught up in the war eventually, and forced into the fray? Or would I be safe to travel the roads, with no worry of soldiers attacking me?
Also, is it possible to not be part of a faction?
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:19 pm
by Marelo
You will have to be a member of one of the three factions in order to play. The races are tied to the factions.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 11:58 am
by Jeelius-Tei
Marelo wrote:You will have to be a member of one of the three factions in order to play. The races are tied to the factions.
That's ok, but is it possible to avoid the PVP war, without getting involved, while in Cyrodiil?
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:02 pm
by Marelo
Maybe? They've said things about being able to play in Cyrodiil on your own, but usually in the context of contributing to the war effort without being in a group. We don't know enough about it yet to say for sure one way or the other.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:43 pm
by Enodoc
Jeelius-Tei wrote:That's ok, but is it possible to avoid the PVP war, without getting involved, while in Cyrodiil?
I would say that it's highly likely, at some point or other, that you will run into a member of another faction who will try to kill you. But you should be able to keep away from the larger battles if you want to, and just try to deal with individuals or smaller groups as they appear.
You could always try to RP a civilian, or perhaps even get a disguise as one (not sure if that's possible), and see if players from the other factions let you off. That's definitely something I'll be trying occasionally when I'm trying to be neutral.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:50 pm
by Jeelius-Tei
Enodoc wrote:You could always try to RP a civilian
That's exactly what I meant. I usually tend to play as characters who are aren't really that special in terms of role-playing. I suppose since it is a MMO I could tell the assaulter to stop, but that is assuming that they would believe me, and not take me as a spy.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Aug 30, 2013 2:26 pm
by Enodoc
It's always worth a try. There's likely to be some that will believe you, and some others who just won't care and will attack anyway, but it would be interesting to see how it turns out. You may be able to find a cross-faction group of "civilian" players somewhere once the game is out and find out some of their strategies for avoiding the conflict. I'll be looking out for them, as I don't want to be part of the battle that much either!
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:16 am
by Yaije
i'm guessing that if you're in Cyrodiil you'll likely not be able to play as some neutral faction.
I'm not holding my hopes out for the idea. Likely you'll be able to get some civ looking attire going on, but unless there are some ways to prevent players from acting out the "if it dies it was bad" mentality you'll not be able to avoid conflict.
Though as far as I understand... no 'normal' entities will be roaming free within the realms held by those alligned with Molag Bal.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Sat Aug 31, 2013 1:32 pm
by rpbraley868
I'm fairly certain that Cyrodiil will be a lot like Guild Wars 2's battleground area. While you can walk around, but if you see an opposing faction they will kill you no matter what you say to them, and there would be no way for you to explore enemy controlled sections, no matter how "friendly" you say you are.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 1:54 pm
by LGAllastair
I don't think you can avoid being killed in Cyrodill, or attacked. Unless of course you fight back
Honestly, PvPers won't respect your roleplay. If you roleplay as a civilian but you come accross an enemy you won't be able to talk to them, cross faction communication is not in, you can't tell them you are a civilian, so they will just kill you and move on. I for one will kill any enemy players I see, unless I have a reason to not want to start a fight at that moment. Cyrodiil is a big place, you could certainly avoid the big battles, but when they come to you I am afraid you can only run, fight or die.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 5:01 pm
by Yaije
rpbraley868 wrote:I'm fairly certain that Cyrodiil will be a lot like Guild Wars 2's battleground area. While you can walk around, but if you see an opposing faction they will kill you no matter what you say to them, and there would be no way for you to explore enemy controlled sections, no matter how "friendly" you say you are.
Actually, I think you can explore. Just know that you'd likely be considered KOS by anyone of another faction when roaming around the region.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 6:22 pm
by odinlima
i've never plaied an MMO, and i'm also curious about what happens if your char dies?....the items etc...are taken from the winner?, and about saves? I want to play this game mostly offline like the others... but would it be fun..? I dont know...
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:21 pm
by Ilaro
odinlima wrote:i've never plaied an MMO, and i'm also curious about what happens if your char dies?....the items etc...are taken from the winner?, and about saves? I want to play this game mostly offline like the others... but would it be fun..? I dont know...
You can't play this game offline because it is a MMO, were the O stands for online.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:30 pm
by Enodoc
odinlima wrote:i've never plaied an MMO, and i'm also curious about what happens if your char dies?....the items etc...are taken from the winner?, and about saves? I want to play this game mostly offline like the others... but would it be fun..? I dont know...
Indeed, as Ilaro says, it's an MMO so it's always online. As for your other questions; when you die, you have a choice to either respawn where you are by using a soul gem, or respawn at a wayshrine. Your armour will be damaged, so if you keep dying you'll need to go repair that before coming back. You keep all your items when you die; if you were killed by another player I believe they receive some random loot. There will be no "saves" in the standard sense as it's a persistent online world; the server or client will remember your state when you close the game, and will restore you to that state when you start up again.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Fri Sep 06, 2013 10:58 pm
by LGAllastair
odinlima wrote:i've never plaied an MMO, and i'm also curious about what happens if your char dies?....the items etc...are taken from the winner?, and about saves? I want to play this game mostly offline like the others... but would it be fun..? I dont know...
AS other hasve said, there is no offline option, you either loggon to the megaserver to play, or you don't play at all. When you die in ESO you won't lose your items, normally what happens is that you take a durability damage to your gear and then you should have a mechanic to resurrect in place (that has a cooldown if you die too much) or teleport to the nearest wayshrine (safe zone). No one knows the details on the system yet, but you can rest asured your items will be safe with you.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:48 am
by Yaije
much to my displeasure.... your equipment is kept upon death.
The game will usually save your progress almost all the time and will only ever miss something in the event of an unplanned server disconnect, but even then it will only be a matter of seconds to minutes of progress lost and never something like hours.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:25 am
by Jeelius-Tei
So, it would seem that pvp would be almost unavoidable. Guess I will just have to run from my enemies. :\
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:25 am
by LGAllastair
Jeelius-Tei wrote:So, it would seem that pvp would be almost unavoidable. Guess I will just have to run from my enemies. :\
That is the whole point of having a PvP zone. If people could just easily avoid PvP in the PvP zone, there would be a design problem. If you want to avoid it, stay out of Cyrodill.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 12:23 pm
by odinlima
, well I think I will have to pass this one...
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:28 pm
by Jeelius-Tei
LGAllastair wrote:That is the whole point of having a PvP zone. If people could just easily avoid PvP in the PvP zone, there would be a design problem. If you want to avoid it, stay out of Cyrodill.
Aww damn. Cyrodiil is my favorite province. Oh well, off to Hammerfell.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:28 pm
by Mattbott
odinlima wrote: , well I think I will have to pass this one...
i have been in a quandray about pvp, cos i know i won't be up to scratch in the combat stakes and will be slaughtered by same level players who spent all their beans on magic swords, poison perks and mega strength, where i did some roleplaying and decided to spend 20 hours fishing instead of max power
but i think it'll be interesting so i am not writing it off
my usual skillset with low level characters involves 1. not being detected, 2. running fast if i am, and 3. being able to hit back if i am cornered lol..
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 3:35 pm
by Musicman247
odinlima wrote: , well I think I will have to pass this one...
Just to avoid any confusion, this is
not the next TES RPG game. This is not the successor to Skyrim. This is a TES MMO made by Zenimax Online. Bethesda studios will still be making a new TES single player RPG, probably after Fallout 4.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:30 am
by Karkat Vantas
Compulsory PvP? Thank gog. Well crops to Zenimax for having some good design choices. Naturally occurring PvP encounters is what makes (some) MMO's great. So maybe, just maybe (I'm high on skepticism here), we'll get some good faction warfare brewing.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:19 am
by Yaije
Really depends on how other things are implemented. Natural pvp is often forgotten about when there's something like... say... battlegrounds/warzones/jump-in-and-go pvp.
Never under estimate the power of instant gratification.
Re: A question about Factions and PVP
Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2013 10:45 am
by Mattbott
just think of Cyrodiil as the arena..