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Is anyone else upset with how much variety Illusion lost? They took out 4 effects(paralyze, light, silence(I think), and charm) without adding anything new except clairvoyance. It's always been my favorite magic skill, and know it's the only one I don't think I'll try.

Illusion is my highest skill, slightly higher than destruction. I often use it to make bandits kill each other.

And I'm pretty sure Muffle is new. Muffle is also an extremely good way to level Illusion ridiculously fast. At lower levels, it only takes one or two castings to increase Illusion.


I'm more disappointed with Alteration to be honest. Also, did they remove the detect enemy spells? Those would be very useful for sneaking.

Alteration has kept me alive so many times. Stoneflesh is a god send, actually makes my Spellsword viable. Wish I could cast it on Lydia though.

Id love illusion but I have troubles with fury, always seems they attack me even though I am 100 feet away and they have five buddies next to them

Frogmander wrote:Id love illusion but I have troubles with fury, always seems they attack me even though I am 100 feet away and they have five buddies next to them

Just wait until you get invisibility. Fury (or better yet, Frenzy) in one hand, Invisibility in the other. You will BREAK PEOPLE. They will bow to you.


Sometimes I like to cast frenzy on someone relatively far away, and then cast fear on another person closer up, so they flee from me... right into their crazed "ally".

Light is still around, its in alteration now
Detect Life exists as well AND they added Detect Death

Alteration has always been my favorite and always will be

Illusion is only ever used for Stealth/Mage characters

On a true mage Illusion is lame unless youre going for "control" or "mosh pits"

Ryuhza wrote:Illusion is my highest skill, slightly higher than destruction. I often use it to make bandits kill each other.

And I'm pretty sure Muffle is new. Muffle is also an extremely good way to level Illusion ridiculously fast. At lower levels, it only takes one or two castings to increase Illusion.


I'm more disappointed with Alteration to be honest. Also, did they remove the detect enemy spells? Those would be very useful for sneaking.

Detect enemy spells were moved to Alteration, and I was counting muffle as chameleon with how similar they are. Also I don't Illusion is bad just boring, I just don't like how almost everything now is calm, fear, or frenzy

90% of Mysticism spells were moved into Alteration

Soul Trap went to Conjuration

As Maiq said - Maiq is very practical, he has no need for Mysticism

Destruction is always the best for me.

So far I can't say I've been impressed with any of the schools of magic. Restoration has healing spells, and that makes it automatically the best, but I'm glad my first character wasn't a mage. The spells I see for Alteration and Illusion in particular seem kinda sad. Seriously, is there a single illusion spell besides Clairvoyance that doesn't just control others? So many things they could do with "Illusion," and it seems like the school is even less robust than before. I'm not even sure if I'll work up to using invisibility at this rate.

I use illusion and alteration, very little i want to use em but idk, conjuration,restoration and estruction are my favs.

Anyone else miffed they removed feather. With that gone and the removal of stats to boost (strength) my coin purse it hurting a lot more here than in Oblivion.

Destruction has never really been nuanced and interesting until now. It has the greatest variety of spells and they really did a good job with it.