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The Question of Reach's independence in Skyrim

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:03 pm
by Velothi
So this is a question to consider the self-determination of Reach in a Forsworn regime, as they (may) have attempted to do such prior to the Stormcloak rebellion.

All we have notice of this can be found in both "The Madmen of the Reach" which gives an empathetic light to the Forsworn as a people oppressed by both the Empire and the First Empire in their time respectively, and "The Crimes of Ulfric Stormcloak" which attempts to make Ulfric into a blood-thirsty monster who kills only if they are not with him.

Now there is a problem with the self-determination. Especially during the Rebellion, this being that the Rebellion is to determine whether or not Skyrim becomes an Independent Kingdom which is both politically and economically free of the Empire. (Which is, also, key for Forsworn independence.)

This problem being; the Stormcloaks and Forsworn interests conflict. The Forsworn (those we see in north eastern Skyrim and such) seek to create their own independent kingdom so where they may practice their ancient traditions and rights. While the Stormcloaks, simply, want an independent Skyrim.

We can not have a Kingdom within a Kingdom (Just imagine the problem that two Popes brought about, how will two Kings be any better?), especially when one Kingdom seeks unity of Skyrim and the other seeks to be independent.

So, ultimately, we must ask the question of whether or not the Forsworn may have a Kingdom and can it be progressive to the interests of the masses? Compare that before the "Repression of Reach" the Forsworn simply wanted to be recognized by the Emperor.

This may be because that the Forsworn had no choice but to be recognized by the Empire, and the Nords did not want this. (So Ulfric, the Imperial soldier at the time, decided to put them down.)

Or, whose to say they won't do the same? (Ally with the Empire to take down the stormcloaks. Which I am, more than sure, they'll do.)

Although it is a shame that the Stormcloaks and the Forsworn can not be allies, we must critically analyze the prospects of a Forsworn Kingdom.

Re: The Question of Reach's independence in Skyrim

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:09 pm
by JVElEven
Well, Denmark actually once had three kings at once without problems. They made a peace treaty and everything.

Of course, they killed each other eventually, I'm just saying this to point out that it actually IS possible.

I don't think the reachmen are independent or want it. They all seem a bit like organized criminal gangs or something.

Re: The Question of Reach's independence in Skyrim

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:14 pm
by Velothi
But it also shows it can only work for so long. :P

Though they have, apparently, prior to the war. Though now they might be more so like raiders or people who simply don't want to be visited like outsiders. Since I, personally, raided Hag's end. A fortress of them.

Re: The Question of Reach's independence in Skyrim

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:15 pm
by JVElEven
I'd say they likely are outcasts, perchance criminals, ill people and so on banding together and trying to be recognised. Though they appear to be from High Rock. Perhaps High Rock chases their slum to Skyrim?