Why are you religious/non-religious?

[Arch-Mage Matt]

Man existed before Jesus and Christianity, and they had different religions too. The Romans, Greek, and even before them (Mesopotamia etc.) are just some examples of man living without Christianity. God didn't just leave man alone, he let them 'sin' and believe anything they wanted to believe. How exactly does it make sense for God to let man live without Christianity for so long then just decide to send a prophet to guide them?

Ummmm.... Hebrews, Jews, Israelites, and Judeans or whatever non-derogatory name for that race/religion. They were around long before the Greeks and Romans. The Hebrews were contemporary with the Mesopotamians.

That wasn't my point at all, I was questioning why 'God' would let man go without Christianity for so long. Mesopotamians, I believe, are the first recorded people with religion by the way.

[Wolfie]

That wasn't my point at all, I was questioning why 'God' would let man go without Christianity for so long. Mesopotamians, I believe, are the first recorded people with religion by the way.

Recorded pepole is key
there is a lot of religion before that
there is no recored if its all spoken

It's worth nothing that "Christianity" as we know it did not exist cause it requires Christ to die, whats the point of sending Christ to early or to late?

Anyways as to why quite simple,
by the time of Jesus time the known word was pretty "big" and was "united" in the sense that something happens in the holy city you can go to another land and tell them about it, so in other words he waited in till a time when he could affect the most pepole
which was then, after all sending Christ to die more then once defeats the pourpous of it, so in short it was smart to do it then.
as to why not wait till now since we know the whole world?
well look at it right now even with Crhsit being around 2000 years ago pepole don't believe in him, do you really think many would stay for another 4000 years?
i don't think so, the Lord is truly wise beyond any of us
Remeber the billions we have now is nothing compared to how many have been around over time in the OT
God is "waiting" for all of us to be here
how many is all of us? I have no clue, but I'm sure he knows how many their can\will be.
So to us 2000 years is a long time, bbut to him its just antoher day

[Stendarr]

And the Asians had different religions at that time too. Thing is, all the Abrahamic religions came out of the middle-east, ie. they were made up and meant for those specific group of people. As Buddhism for the Asians and Shintoism for the Japanese in particular. Before recorded time, man was known to be spiritual, but it was more akin to Amerindian stuff with voodoo, belief in spirits and such rather than a God. Why was Jesus a Jew, why all prophets are Arab people? That's something I was never able to understand. The rest of the world is left in the dark with Christianity and Islam, the religion was pretty much forced into the rest of the world since the Roman empire, while it was regional before.

[Wolfie]

And the Asians had different religions at that time too. Thing is, all the Abrahamic religions came out of the middle-east, ie. they were made up and meant for those specific group of people

The "made for" relays on the fact that they are not real, as i cant say for sure fi any fo them are real

As Buddhism for the Asians and Shintoism for the Japanese in particular. Before recorded time, man was known to be spiritual, but it was more akin to Amerindian stuff with voodoo, belief in spirits and such rather than a God.

There has been plenty of "pre cutral" pepole relying on a "god" of sorts
sure magic was around and worshiped
but Even The bible talks about it (which IMO shows it was around then as how would they have known that there was voodoo thousadns and thousands of years ago?)

Why was Jesus a Jew, why all prophets are Arab people?

Quite simply jesus was not a "jew" per say
he was a God in of him self, he gets in the way of the Jew beliefs (they did not belive he was the son of God
As for the Prophets, cause back then no one but the Arab pepole followed God, evrey one eles had chocen something eles

. The rest of the world is left in the dark with Christianity and Islam, the religion was pretty much forced into the rest of the world since the Roman empire, while it was regional before.

left in the dark? how do you figure?
maybe god did stuff else where but why tell pepole that the world is not flat?
he did not tell them a lot of "scine things"
its just him talking to those who are around
Also remember if adam and eve really existed then at one point the whole world belive in him and over time they chocse someone eles
and god let them stay that path

simple

[Arch-Mage Matt]

Why, though? Why does 'God' let people 'stray'? Why does he let people be of a different Religion, or non-religious for that matter. If it would be up to him I'm sure he wouldn't like me much. So why am I and the many people of the world not devout Christians? If I was God I'd announce myself to the world, sadly he doesn't feel like doing that. Dunno why.

[MARS]

That is because in my opinion religion is not literal. All the things in the bible for instance are just metaphors that intend to teach you something.
In my opinion.

[Wolfie]

He dose it cause he wants us to be free nothing he does is force on us, sometimes he punishes us for things true but we still are free to make choices, he gave us free will and he does not get involved and make us do things
its kind of like a parent a "good parent" teachers the kid their beliefs but will not force them they still let them have free will God is not going to force you to do things cause he loves you and wants you to pick, he wants you to love him on your own part not being forced,if you give someone a "love potion" is it as good as when the person falls for you y them selfs?

[Veck]

Great, another one man against the world thread. How I love these.

[Jakarius321]

Why, though? Why does 'God' let people 'stray'? Why does he let people be of a different Religion, or non-religious for that matter. If it would be up to him I'm sure he wouldn't like me much. So why am I and the many people of the world not devout Christians? If I was God I'd announce myself to the world, sadly he doesn't feel like doing that. Dunno why.

Maybe it's because we have free-will? If you force people to believe and have a strong faith in something they don't want to then that's manipulation. If God is a loving, caring God I'm sure he wouldn't manipulate everyone so blatantly.

It also probably has something to do with that damned apple of eden that has puzzled me all my life and I still don't fully understand it .

[Arch-Mage Matt]

Sooo... God: "I will create Homosexual people." Then, God: "Homosexuals are bad. I shall level a city to stress this point."

These are just holes that I see. I say them as I see them IMO.

[Wolfie]

Veck you need to calm down, this is not a "your wrong thread"
he asked something and I exspalind it and more then half the world is Christian or belive in "God" it is not one man ageist the world

I'm not fighting and saying you have to believe, I'm putting what Christians belie


you need to stop posting any time i disagree with pepole

am i not allowed to have a deferent opinion?

Sooo... God: "I will create Homosexual people." Then, God: "Homosexuals are bad. I shall level a city to stress this point."

These are just holes that I see. I say them as I see them IMO

how do you figure God Create Homosexual?Also read the bible it dose not say Homosexuals are bad it says having sex with someone who is the same gender
So while if your "born" with liking another person who is the same gender you don't go to hell
and God dose not hate you, He loves all
(I said "born" cause some don't believe this i how ever am not one of those)

[MARS]

Well god is the creator of everything no?

[Stendarr]

Why was Jesus a Jew, why all prophets are Arab people?

Quite simply jesus was not a "jew" per say
he was a God in of him self, he gets in the way of the Jew beliefs (they did not belive he was the son of God
As for the Prophets, cause back then no one but the Arab pepole followed God, evrey one eles had chocen something eles

You missed my point. Jesus wasn't "born" (or appeared if you prefer) in the Americas, Asia, Western Europe or Australia, he appeared in Israel. Because of transportation and such, the world wasn't as connected as now. Pretty much the whole Asian territory was visited only by traders, and they had different religions. Only the Arab people followed God because no one else knew about that god. If you look at it historically, pretty much all religions are defined by territorial boundaries and different cultures.

. The rest of the world is left in the dark with Christianity and Islam, the religion was pretty much forced into the rest of the world since the Roman empire, while it was regional before.

left in the dark? how do you figure?
maybe god did stuff else where but why tell pepole that the world is not flat?
he did not tell them a lot of "scine things"
its just him talking to those who are around
Also remember if adam and eve really existed then at one point the whole world belive in him and over time they chocse someone eles
and god let them stay that path

simple

I'm not sure I understand everything you say... Or if you understood what I meant to say.

[Arch-Mage Matt]

how do you figure God Create Homosexual?

Uh-oh, we're getting to picking-and-choosing the open-interpretations of Religion to fit our needs. The door is that way, correct?

[Stendarr]

He dose it cause he wants us to be free nothing he does is force on us, sometimes he punishes us for things true but we still are free to make choices, he gave us free will and he does not get involved and make us do things
its kind of like a parent a "good parent" teachers the kid their beliefs but will not force them they still let them have free will God is not going to force you to do things cause he loves you and wants you to pick, he wants you to love him on your own part not being forced,if you give someone a "love potion" is it as good as when the person falls for you y them selfs?

Weren't you the one who said Jesus was sent so that all our sins would be repented when the hour would come if we accepted God?

[The Raven]

Mesopotamians, I believe, are the first recorded people with religion by the way.

"We're the Mesopotamians. Sargon, Hammurabi, Ashurbanipal and Gilgamesh."

[Wolfie]

Weren't you the one who said Jesus was sent so that all our sins would be repented when the hour would come if we accepted God?

our sins will be forgiving if asked yes

Where is the contradiction therE?

You missed my point. Jesus wasn't "born" (or appeared if you prefer) in the Americas, Asia, Western Europe or Australia, he appeared in Israel. Because of transportation and such, the world wasn't as connected as now. Pretty much the whole Asian territory was visited only by traders, and they had different religions. Only the Arab people followed God because no one else knew about that god. If you look at it historically, pretty much all religions are defined by territorial boundaries and different cultures.

My bad i read wasn't as was sorry
how do you know he did not?
but think of this
we know hisotry all humans came form one place and they crossed over bridges that are no longer aorund
so the "Arab" pepole stayed while pepole went to asia
and the others
they still had the belives of god and even then they switched they choce to

I'm not sure I understand everything you say... Or if you understood what I meant to say.

sorry I know my grmmar and spelling is not the best
what i am saying si this
the bible is not all god has ever done there is more
and he did not tell them about it because why tell pepole something like that?

Well god is the creator of everything no?

he cerated free will which lets you choice to sleep with someone of the same gender
he did not make it where Bob likes guys and Susie likes girls God did not make the Nuke
he did not make the gun
he gave us the ability in a way
but we choice what to do (again I don't think "liking" another guy is wrong
but rather having sex with another one is

Uh-oh, we're getting to picking-and-choosing the open-interpretations of Religion to fit our needs. The door is that way, correct?

Dude thats uncalled for
there is no part of the bible says that god made them, in fact he says it is humans who have made it (in the sense we choice to sleep with another)

[MARS]

You missed my point. Jesus wasn't "born" (or appeared if you prefer) in the Americas, Asia, Western Europe or Australia, he appeared in Israel. Because of transportation and such, the world wasn't as connected as now. Pretty much the whole Asian territory was visited only by traders, and they had different religions. Only the Arab people followed God because no one else knew about that god. If you look at it historically, pretty much all religions are defined by territorial boundaries and different cultures.

Where did you hear that?
this is not true

Yes it is true.

[Wolfie]

You missed my point. Jesus wasn't "born" (or appeared if you prefer) in the Americas, Asia, Western Europe or Australia, he appeared in Israel. Because of transportation and such, the world wasn't as connected as now. Pretty much the whole Asian territory was visited only by traders, and they had different religions. Only the Arab people followed God because no one else knew about that god. If you look at it historically, pretty much all religions are defined by territorial boundaries and different cultures.

Where did you hear that?
this is not true

Yes it is true.

See the post i misread wasn't as was

[Jakarius321]

If everything came from God then everything we are capable of also came from God. Even Satan came from God, his actions however were his own, a product of free will.

God has given us everything but sin occurs because we have freedom, this evidently can cause some difficulties but I personally don't believe you can have a true faith if you have been forced into it against your will. Free-will is essential to a strong relationship with the God of your choosing.

[Wolfie]

If everything came from God then everything we are capable of also came from God. Even Satan came from God, his actions however were his own, a product of free will.

God has given us everything but sin occurs because we have freedom, this evidently can cause some difficulties but I personally don't believe you can have a true faith if you have been forced into it against your will. Free-will is essential to a strong relationship with the God of your choosing.

And you just made all my posts look less and less helpful

As I said whats the point of some one "loving" you if you force them?

And The desire to have sex is not bad
its instinct
But acting out them or having thoughts about acting them out is bad
so while liking another guy is not a sin
having sex with him is, and once again god gave us free will
he did not make us have sex with others of the same gender
we choice that
so its the humans fault not God's

[Arch-Mage Matt]

he cerated free will which lets you choice to sleep with someone of the same gender
he did not make it where Bob likes guys and Susie likes girls God did not make the Nuke
he did not make the gun
he gave us the ability in a way
but we choice what to do (again I don't think "liking" another guy is wrong
but rather having sex with another one is


Dude thats uncalled for
there is no part of the bible says that god made them, in fact he says it is humans who have made it (in the sense we choice to sleep with another)

No, in my opinion this is twisting life to fit religion perfectly. Now you can say that only man sins and God is perfect, the perfect Religious belief. But saying that seems... just wrong.

[Stendarr]

You missed my point. Jesus wasn't "born" (or appeared if you prefer) in the Americas, Asia, Western Europe or Australia, he appeared in Israel. Because of transportation and such, the world wasn't as connected as now. Pretty much the whole Asian territory was visited only by traders, and they had different religions. Only the Arab people followed God because no one else knew about that god. If you look at it historically, pretty much all religions are defined by territorial boundaries and different cultures.

My bad i read wasn't as was sorry
how do you know he did not?

You mean Jesus entered this world as several persons doing things for God? You do know there's nothing about any savior and such recorded elsewhere than in the middle-east?

but think of this
we know hisotry all humans came form one place and they crossed over bridges that are no longer aorund
so the "Arab" pepole stayed while pepole went to asia
and the others
they still had the belives of god and even then they switched they choce to

Back then humans weren't like now. Humans had limited speech and abilities, their spirituality was a very basic one.

sorry I know my grmmar and spelling is not the best
what i am saying si this
the bible is not all god has ever done there is more
and he did not tell them about it because why tell pepole something like that?

So, how can we see the bible as the ultimate book if it may very well be a tiny fraction of God's work? And what I meant, is that in recorded history, the other regions of the world had no real links with the Abrahamic religions. Or at least, very limited ones.

he cerated free will which lets you choice to sleep with someone of the same gender
he did not make it where Bob likes guys and Susie likes girls God did not make the Nuke
he did not make the gun
he gave us the ability in a way
but we choice what to do (again I don't think "liking" another guy is wrong
but rather having sex with another one is

Yet he created you in such a way that you ought to desire sex at one point. If he created you as someone who is attracted to males rather than females, it's not your fault if your nature makes it very hard for you to resist. That desire for sex comes with the NEED to procreate. Men can't procreate together, but that's not exactly something your body can recognize. And you do know there are homosexual animals? Did God create everything, yet creatures acting on instincts (God's work) can do things he wouldn't allow?

Uh-oh, we're getting to picking-and-choosing the open-interpretations of Religion to fit our needs. The door is that way, correct?

Dude thats uncalled for
there is no part of the bible says that god made them, in fact he says it is humans who have made it (in the sense we choice to sleep with another)

It's much less of a choice than you think. There's a whole body chemistry that makes actual choice a much smaller part of the equation that you might think. Like how you may fall in love with someone purely because your body recognizes compatibility of some sorts, like your body chemistry can get your libido (and lust) higher. Is it that much of a choice when your whole body tells you want to?

[Wolfie]

No, in my opinion this is twisting life to fit religion perfectly. Now you can say that only man sins and God is perfect, the perfect Religious belief. But saying that seems... just wrong.

That makes no sense
Maybe the reason it fits perfectly is because its real and true?

And how are we twisting?
I respects your opinion but i don't see how its twisting?

[Arch-Mage Matt]

Sometimes you say God created everything... but when something goes wrong, you say it's man's fault, when men are just creation of God.