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I find it a bit disturbing that Mankar Camoran is able to wear the Amulet of Kings, as seen in his realm of Paradise. Baurus rumoured that only a true heir of the Septim Line could wear the Amulet, and, indeed, when the player tries to put it on, it falls off every time. Any explanation for Mankar Camoran's dress code?

The line about only Septims wearing it is false. The first living person to wear the amulet was Reman Cyrodiil who has no biological connection to the Septims aside from the fact that him and Tiber were both Nords.

On the wiki page for the Amulet, it says that only the ruler or king can wear it, but with Martin, I don't see how Mankar could wear it.

My guess is that because he is in his Paradise in Oblivion and not on Tamriel he can wear it either because 1.) He can do what ever he wants in his own Paradise or 2.) He can wear it because he is actually ruling the Paradise

Does it specifically mention Cyrodiil on the wiki page? As Mankar is the son of the Cammoran Usurper who ruled Valenwood and much of Hammerfell at one point.

Edit: I checked the page, the exact requirement to wear the amulet is unknown.

Whatever it is, the Hero of Cyrodiil is pointedly unworthy.

I have to agree. I believe that those of either royal heritage or those who are fit to rule, can wear the Amulet of Kings.

Mankar Camaron wears the Amulet outside of Paradise, too. Namely the first time you see him. (In Dagon's Shrine)

Firstly, we need to recognize the Amulet's origin. The Amulet was created by the Ayleids for an unknown purpose. Soon, Akatosh or Shezarr then forged the Covenant with Alessia and her descendants. (Only one of relation of Alessia and not Tiber Septim may wear it) The Amulet confirmed the legitimacy of Cyrodiil's rulers. One King Hrol found the Amulet by tracking down Alessia's spirit, who was wearing the Amulet. At that spot, an infant Reman Cyrodiil was discovered with the Amulet on his forehead. (So Hrol and Alessia had a child assumingly :x) The Amulet of Kings gave the Reman Dynasty legitimacy and power to rule. When an emperor comes to power, in the ritual to become emperor, the new monarch is soul-linked with the Amulet and the monarch lights the Dragonfires. Tiber Septim gained legitimacy to rule through finding the Amulet in a tomb. So, the Septims had no relation to the Remans, so they had no relation to Alessia, but, Since Tiber Septim rediscovered the Amulet, he gained the power to rule, and became a descendant of Alessia by doing so. So, Uriel, through Tiber Septim, became emperor.

By taking the Amulet, Mankar might have become a descendant of Alessia, even though unrightfully.

Actually that theory is pretty good, but my question is why then doesn't your character get to wear it, since it was willingly given by the Emperor himself?

I assume three things:

1) The emperor did not intend for you to be an heir.
2) The throne is still available for a rightful heir.
3) You were given it and you have not obtained it like King Hrol or Tiber Septim.

Fair enough.

Because you did nothing special, except wake up in a prison cell that was supposed to be off-limits.

Agreed.
Succinct and quick to the point.

Well if we are going to get technical here, fine.

Mankar didn't do anything special other than have taken out of a wooden box by one of his subordinates.

Mannimarco didn't do anything special other than make himself a lich. >.>

What does that have to do with anything?

Please don't use that smiley eccsesively, as it takes the humour from things truly worthy.

Ah, excuse me?

Sorry what were you saying?

I was wondering the same thing.

I think that our character cannot wear the amulet because we were ment to deliver it to a more suitable heir and as long as such heir existed, we seemed unfit to the amulet. Remember we did not gain or famous standing in the world until later in the game and by then Martin was already recognized as Emperor. That still doesn't explain why Mankar can wear it but that seemed the most likely explanation for why we couldn't.

I also think that if Martin died without destroying the Amulet and Dagon was defeated some other way, we would have been able to wear the amulet

See that's my whole point too.

All through the quest everyone keeps saying that "only a Septim can wear the amulet"
Then you see Mankar wearing TWICE!
Im sitting here thinking, Did one of the Emperor's sons survive, if so why would he being stealing the Amulet?

I just think that it was a "blopper" on Bethsheda's part.

I think they made the Amulet visible on Mankar so you would know were the Amulet was, especially during the intense cave-in at the end of Paradise. I think they just had a brain-fart on that part.

Hm or perhaps that since the people who have actually worn the amulet, have all been, um, like saints and living demons (I can't think of a better 50/50) like the septims are all blessed by the nine while mankar is blessed by Dagon, a deadric prince has power beyond what is yet known

I read the Xarsems(sp?) in book three there is this paragraph


Oath-breakers beware, for their traitors run through the nymic-paths, runner dogs of prolix gods. The Dragon's Blood have hidden ascension in six-thousands years of aetherial labyrinth, which is Arena, which they yet deny is Oathbound. By the Book, take this key and pierce the divine shell that encloses the mantle-takers! The skin of gold! SCARAB AE AURBEX!

I don't know what to make of it but its possibly a clue.
I haven't played the main quest line in a long time, but I thought I vaguely remember Martin saying something along the lines of "Some how Mankar is able to wear the amulet" Which would make it seem more than a blunder. It could be my imagination.

You may be on to something there.
I'll have to check it out.

Mankar Camoran's Commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes are nothing more than rambling and only serve as a guide for potential Mythic Dawn members to join the faction.

I do agree with you there about the ramblings, ramblings don't always mean that what is being said isn't true. I am hesitant to disregard something written by the only guy who can wear the AoKs without having to do with royalty. Especially when it is written about Akatosh and Oaths and stuff.

It's easy to write propaganda. There are several written works that contradict or derail the Nine.