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 Post subject: The Buoyant Armigers (?)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:33 am 
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Does anyone here know how the Buoyant Armigers, the military order of the Tribunal Temple, acquired their admittedly strange name?


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I don't think there is an explanation anywhere, although if there was it might be contained in one of the Sermons. I put it down to the wacky Poet-God-Hero Vivec. An Armiger is just a person entitled to bear a coat of arms so that's fairly self explanatory. Maybe they are Buoyant because Vivec taught the Dunmer to breathe underwater when he flooded Morrowind to save them from their Akaviri invaders?

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What a strange idea! Seeing as they predominantly use Glass, perhaps Finn Gleam is an Armiger helmet.
But that has no real bearing on this, does it? :lol:


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Not really :lol: but it's a nice theory. All in all, I really like the Armigers, and more so I love how each of the Tribunal has their own city and, if Sotha Sil had an order, how they would each have their own order of devotees. It's another awesome piece of Dunmeri Lore IMO.

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...And Dunmeri lore is the best.
That seems like a reasonable explanation, thanks, Duru. That question has vaguely been at the back of my mind for ever.


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Bouoyant maybe because of Vivec's constant levitating? Or possibly because they predominantly use Light Armor, and if you are lighter, you are more buoyant?
:lol: It doesn't really have any bearing on this, but whatever.


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Build a bridge out of them! That's actually another interesting idea AtoM, I hadn't thought of Vivec's perpetual, and fairly awesome, state of levitation, but that fits even better than my idea.

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Wow, feel a day late and a dollar short. So late to join this forum and such. Anywho, one NPC in Vivec described the Armingers as "the lighthearted counterpart to the temple's Ordinators". So perhaps "Buoyant" is a reference to their lighthearted nature. Uplifting and positive and all that good stuff.

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I think I'll move this to Lore if you don't mind


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Xibir wrote:
Wow, feel a day late and a dollar short. So late to join this forum and such. Anywho, one NPC in Vivec described the Armingers as "the lighthearted counterpart to the temple's Ordinators". So perhaps "Buoyant" is a reference to their lighthearted nature. Uplifting and positive and all that good stuff.


That was always my interpretation. It fits well with Vivec's nature as a warrior-poet.

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I believe I've seen them described as "Lord Vivec's elite unit of homosexual samurai" before. I'm not sure if it was in the Morrowind CS or if it was the way Michael Kirkbride described them, but considering whom they serve and were "Trained" by...well...

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I think the Homosexual Samurai comment can be attributed to MK, iirc, but I wouldn't be overly surprised. What I want to see is Sotha Sil's elite Order of devotees.

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OblivionDuruza wrote:
I think the Homosexual Samurai comment can be attributed to MK, iirc, but I wouldn't be overly surprised. What I want to see is Sotha Sil's elite Order of devotees.



Sotha Sil is a loner. It's implied in some supplemental dev content that the part of his city we saw was only his workshop and that the rest had "inhabitants", but those could have been more fabricants, perhaps more humanlike ones.

It's mentioned in the Sermons that Sotha Sil summoned an army of clockwork dreugh to assist with the Battle of Red Mountain, for what it's worth. That's a rather interesting idea for an elite army force.

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I just wish I could join the Bouyant Armigers.... They're awesome, both as Lore and in-game. Just like the Ordinators.

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In light of new info:
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The Gravid Armigers – though no longer Buoyant, mourning for those of their brethren who were launched between Dawn and Dusk at the sundering of Ghostgate, the catastrophically reduced warrior-poets nevertheless continue to spread the auto-heretical Love-Teachings of Vehk and Vehk, in earnest anticipation of his and His return. Though their recruitment remains slow, as per tradition, their numbers are increasing, and have swollen greatly of late by the addition of those remaining of Her Fingers who survived the Battle of the Epiphyte. Most notable of their feats of late, are the slaying by iambic pentameter of the Arch-Warden of the Proximal Organism and the subsequent recovery of the mummy of Saint Roris from the Necropolis at Thorn. The seal of their order is the Egg-Belly.

I think we can say fairly confidently that the Armigers Bouyance is related to their relationship with Vivec and their subsequent lighthearted and bouyant nature.

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Yeah...they were the light hearted ones. The Ordinators were grave and businesslike.

Apparently now the Armigers are grave and the Ordinators are extremely grave, since that source called them Dark Ordinators.

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Quite fitting I think, and also fitting that while the 'old' Indoril Ordinators are now in mourning (even more so than after the loss of Nerevar, as previously demonstrated by Mourning hold/Mournhold), and honor-bound in service to the dead, as is the case with The Order of Wrathmen, the New Sul Ordinators have stepped up and endeavour to spread their 'enlightenment'.

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The idea of competing religions within the Dunmer society is interesting. The Temple dominated the landscape in the game Morrowind, but now it seems there are competing ideas - some of them even revolving around the Aedra.

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