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 Post subject: "Elder Scrolls Online reveal in May - report"
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Bethesda will unveil its heavily rumoured Elder Scrolls MMO in May, according to a new report.

Elder Scrolls Online, as it is apparently known, is set a millennium prior to the events of Skyrim, an "industry source" told Tom's Guide.

It is speculated that this means the unannounced game is set during the Second Era of Elder Scrolls lore, hundreds of years before any game in the fantasy role-playing series. It will, apparently, feature three playable factions, each represented by an animal: lion, dragon and bird of prey (either a phoenix or an eagle).

The Elder Scrolls MMO is then expected to be shown at the E3 expo in June, and again in more detail at Quakecon, alongside Doom 4.

It is in production at ZeniMax Online Studios, which has been after staff with MMO knowledge for some time now.

Indeed, rumblings of an Elder Scrolls MMO have been felt since 2007, when Bethesda registered the website address elderscrollsonline.com. Then, Bethesda marketing chap Pete Hines said the company was only snapping up URLs to prevent others from getting there first.

Then, in 2010, legal papers submitted in the now settled court case between Bethesda and Interplay revealed the company was working on a "World of Warcraft type MMO".

Apparently development on the MMO had been ongoing since 2006 and involved "close to a hundred people" and a budget of "tens of millions of dollars".

In 2007, Bethesda's parent company ZeniMax hired Mythic Entertainment co-founder Matt Firor to lead development of an MMO. His experience on Dark Ages of Camelot, a traditional fantasy game, closely fits the Elder Scrolls bill.

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I was really uncertain about this whole thing, and I don't think my uncertainty is going to go away until E3. After all, I know what the rumour mill can end up doing.

And I'm not sure an WoW-like MMO is going to work with TES storyline(s). I have a feeling its going to be worse than disastrous...unless they make it a F2P. That might help. :P

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I hope this doesn't mean that the new news is not DLC related but MMO related, but if we get both over April/May, I'll be one happy chappy.

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I hope this doesn't mean that the new news is not DLC related but MMO related, but if we get both over April/May, I'll be one happy chappy.


There is a DLC one in May, I think. Or at least, I damn hope so. Rumour mill again :P

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No. No... NO!!! D:

This sounds nothing less than disgusting. They'll probably stop writing interesting lore altogether as well.

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I don't want TES to go MMORPG. TES games are the best single-player RPGs ever created and I honestly can't see them going online without a huge drop in quality. Anyone who's ever spent 10 minutes on WoW can easily imagine Vvardenfell or Cyrodiil or Skyrim overrun by pre-pubescent pimply d*ck-sucking turd-holes teabagging everything in sight. I would NOT pay for it. In fact, I'm not sure how much they would have to pay ME before I agree to be exposed to something like this.

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I hate it. This is so stupid...

It's all about the money and nothing else. Kind of disgusting. Yet another MMO. Don't we have enough of these already? Do you REALLY think there'll be ANY depth at all to your game experience in this on-line travesty?

It take YEARS to make a game like Skyrim. Do you REALLY think an on-line [&@%!] fest game, created in.. what? maybe three or even six years?... covering the -whole- of Tamriel will be even remotely as interesting as Skyrim or Oblivion or Morrowind?

And the worst part is: THIS IS GOING TO WORK (for them anyway) because people are stupid and will jump in. Zenimax will have its subscribers paying religiously for years; they'll CERTAINLY repeat the winning formula learned from Blizzard and keep the game rolling for years with expansions and stupid statistics and item tiers, and IT WILL KILL THE SERIES.

And yes, if you like the Elder Scrolls, you should be VERY SCARED by now because Zenimax owns Bethesda and they might decide a new single-player Elder Scrolls would be competing with their MMO Elder Scrolls, so there won't be any...

Jesus Christ.... Elder Scrolls was a one-of-a-kind... now it's lost... I wonder how freakin' long it will take for a new IP to come up with the same gameplay characteristics to fill the gap. And all the LORE we've come to love? Forget it. This is World of Elder Scrolls now, baby.

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Mother of god. WHY?! WHYYYYYYYY?!!!


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I was [&@%!] when I first heard the news. But at this point, as long as Zenimax can prove that they can make an MMO that is truly unique, and doesn't resemble WoW (Like virtually all other 'successful' MMOs), then I'll be buying it.

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I just wrote a nice long rant about this on Beth forums. ;) What I'm really hoping for is that Zenimax makes a game that the worst of WoW trolls won't be able to play, because it will be too demanding. Not much chance for that though, smaller target audience means less profit and all TES games after Morrowind have been made with bigger and bigger audiences in mind...

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I have seen the scans of the gameinformer mag, and here is what to expect

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Apparently the game has

-Three factions
--Ebonheart pact: Nords, Dunmer, Argoanion
--Aldmeri dominion: Altmer, Bosmer, Khajiit
--Daggerfall Covenant: Orcs, Redguards, Bretons

-the Imperials are "badguys" work with the Tharn family and Manimmarco, Manimmaro is selling everyone out to Molag ball.

-120 hours to reach level cap

-hubless quest system

-Werewolf plague

-Your Character has had his soul taken by Molag ball, which is why you can come back to life if you "die"

-They take some of Gw2 mechanics were your weapons determine some of your skills, there is also doddging, skill combos, and other GW2isy things.

-Enemies can also do combos with eachother, and have all the blocking/parrying skills you can use.

-Fully voiced NPCs

-A radiat AI system

-Can join guilds

-Cyrodiil is a giant three way PVP zone

-Can become Emperor

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Does it really matter? It's being developed by Zenimax, not Bethesda. If you're not interested, don't play it. I'm sure the single player franchise will continue (and people will undoubtedly whine about it being dumbed down for the MMO noobs, regardless of whether it is or not).

My only issue is that the MMO will have the entirety of Tamriel, while we'll probably keep missing out over in single player land.


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I don't want TES to go MMORPG. TES games are the best single-player RPGs ever created and I honestly can't see them going online without a huge drop in quality. Anyone who's ever spent 10 minutes on WoW can easily imagine Vvardenfell or Cyrodiil or Skyrim overrun by pre-pubescent pimply d*ck-sucking turd-holes teabagging everything in sight. I would NOT pay for it. In fact, I'm not sure how much they would have to pay ME before I agree to be exposed to something like this.


That about sums it up.

It sounds like Zenimax are going down the old route of Call of duty (and most video games these days)....appealing to snotty nosed kids.

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It take YEARS to make a game like Skyrim. Do you REALLY think an on-line [&@%!] fest game, created in.. what? maybe three or even six years?... covering the -whole- of Tamriel will be even remotely as interesting as Skyrim or Oblivion or Morrowind?


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I could cut the naive elitism in this thread with a knife and stick it in a pan to fry some uneducated sausages.

There's nothing wrong with an MMO, games like WoW and EVE Online are proof that MMO's can have deep and immersive stories and lore.

My fears however are held within the developers, of which have no real renown for making MMO's.

Like I said before, I expect a TORtanic again.

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I once hoped that there would be a TES MMO...now I really wish that won't ever happen.

Yes, WoW and EVE may have good lore and background, but thats WoW and EVE, who are proven veterans in the field.

I don't think anyone in Bethesda has any realy experience of making MMO's and I have a sinking feeling that they are going to DESTROY it, totally and completely.

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I could cut the naive elitism in this thread with a knife and stick it in a pan to fry some uneducated sausages.


I may be one of those naive elitists, but I still think that line is golden. :mrgreen:

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Haters gonna hate.TIL has a posse. That pVp arena is as good as ours. You guys think you can hang with Team Ebonheart? Not in a bazillion kalpas, mah boi! This bloodhsed is what all true warriors strive for!

As for "ruining the Elder Scrolls", they're still going to make the single player games for years to come. Have you noticed a completely different team is working on this than the single player games? It's not headed by Todd Howard - it's Zenimax's MMO unit. If this is done will it will do nothing but add to the overall TES mythos, not subtract from it.

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I once hoped that there would be a TES MMO...now I really wish that won't ever happen.

Yes, WoW and EVE may have good lore and background, but thats WoW and EVE, who are proven veterans in the field.

I don't think anyone in Bethesda has any realy experience of making MMO's and I have a sinking feeling that they are going to DESTROY it, totally and completely.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believd Bethesda is making it. I've heard a 'Zenimax Online Studios' is making it.

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Maybe I am just to lore curious but alone the setting seem to create giantic loopholes.

The Aldmer Dominion was formed in 2E830 so the game setting can't be before that period of time, if we assume that the older report about the setting in the 2nd era was right.
But then I don't see how there can be a Nord, Dunmer, Argonian coaliton. Nords and Argonian were almost always enemies of the Dunmer.
Also becoming emperror is really problematic. This would create a third empire before the rise of Tiber Septim/ or you would compete with Tiber also unlikely. I must say I have nothing against the mmo, but hopefully the story itself is non canon for TES Lore, the whole 2nd era will be a mess otherwise.

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I think people are overreacting. What is wrong with an Elder Scrolls Online game? It is just a spin-off of the original series and we will still get a single player Elder Scrolls VI. Also, this is not the first time an Elder Scrolls game features multiplayer. Let's not forget about Battlespire, which was released before Morrowind and by count the third game in the series, though it was in its own spin-off series as well.
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I have no interest in any MMO of any flavour so I shall ignore the TES one and wait for the Dawnguard DLC and TES6 whilst twiddling my thumbs.

My sole concern is that the time and energy spent working on the MMO will suck the energy and time available from any future DLC's or even from TES6 itself. However as the MMO appears to have a completely seperate team working on it then maybe this concern is ill-founded, I shall cross my fingers and hope!

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I once hoped that there would be a TES MMO...now I really wish that won't ever happen.

Yes, WoW and EVE may have good lore and background, but thats WoW and EVE, who are proven veterans in the field.

I don't think anyone in Bethesda has any realy experience of making MMO's and I have a sinking feeling that they are going to DESTROY it, totally and completely.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believd Bethesda is making it. I've heard a 'Zenimax Online Studios' is making it.


Yes, alongside Bethesda. That means Bethesda will have a part in this, and since they aren't experienced, they don't know what will be good in one. So, essentially, I suppose it won't be Bethesda making it in it's entirety, but they're gonna have a big hand in it.

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Maybe I am just to lore curious but alone the setting seem to create giantic loopholes.

The Aldmer Dominion was formed in 2E830 so the game setting can't be before that period of time, if we assume that the older report about the setting in the 2nd era was right.


I imagine it'll turn out to be as accurate as Dragons being extinct forever. TES lore is purposely written from biased or less-than-perfectly-informed sources so that if it is retconned later, there's not a big uproar. Unfortunately some fans treat what we're told as canon or something, which I think is a mistake.


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But then I don't see how there can be a Nord, Dunmer, Argonian coaliton. Nords and Argonian were almost always enemies of the Dunmer.


I know. Isn't that interesting? I guess the threat of an alien Empire trying to grab your borders makes unlikely alliances.

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Also becoming emperror is really problematic. This would create a third empire before the rise of Tiber Septim/ or you would compete with Tiber also unlikely. I must say I have nothing against the mmo, but hopefully the story itself is non canon for TES Lore, the whole 2nd era will be a mess otherwise.


That's not necessarily a contradiction at all. During all three Interregnums in Tamrielic history, various petty warlords vied for the throne until a legitimate Emperor was named. After the end of the Reman Dynasty and before the ascent of Tiber Septim, we're already told by some sources that the throne was contested and there was strife and darkness in Cyrodill. I assume more than one person declared him or herself Emperor during that time period.

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So here is some more gameplay info from the gameinformer scans

-There is a stamina feature that can be used for a variety of things including
--Sprinting
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--Breaking free of spell effects such as frost spells that paralyze you

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