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This is an incorrect statement. This thread is about the combat in TES:Online. Please get back on topic.

It's hard when you don't have spell creation in Skyrim, generic fireballs and electricity anyone ?

I'll admit that you could get slightly creative with the crafting in previous games, but the whole magic system was horrible in Skyrim and thats why I only have ever played one magic based character past thirty.

The combat in Elder Scrolls has never been anything to get excited about, actually the combat in any bethesda game has never been anything to get excited about. I'll expect them to at least have some decent combat in ES:O but as always I wont expect anything amazing.



Actually it's about Elder Scrolls online, but don't tell the mods that. Damn you ninjaa'd me Musicman.

It's about why people care so much about combat, which does entail all combat in the series since it is relevant to TC's comment on the overall state of ES combat. Not to mention I'm far from the first person to start talking about other games combat systems.

What's the SC thread? And what I want is the magic to be more diverse. It's so extremely simple and dumbed down. The abilities and magic all have only one effect and it gets very tiresome after a while. Look at Dragon Age as an example, a game that is often classed as the same genre as TES, the magic and spells there are so much better because they are both much varied and allow you to customize your character even more.

And what if you're not into magic? What does combat have to offer? Power attacks and normal swings. That too get's very boring after a while.

Sorry, but this topic is in the Elder Scrolls Online Sub-forum, which means the topic has to do with that game specifically. If the OP would like to change the nature of the thread I would be happy to move it to TES General, but that would be up to the topic starter, not you or me. For now get back on topic or start another thread in TES General with your preferred topic.

Again, you were talking about the whole series not one individual game. If you weren't into magic, then that's that persons bad for not getting everything out of their game. They really have no say if they didnt even see what was all there. That would be like reviewing a movie you only saw a third of.

So it's okay that Bethesda make physical combat [&@%!], because it's the players fault they don't want to use magic, not theirs?

Physical combat wasn't [&@%!], it was just as mashy or dull as any other action game's. H2H, thrown weapons and items, spears, two handers, one handers, crossbows and bows, just some of the physical combat aspects from the series and just as expansive as any linear action game's.

The ES is no action game (focused solely on visual flare and fighting and almost nothing else), but who went into it expecting that?

Combat in the ES isn't bad, not becasue it's an RPG and "hey what do you expect," but becasue it's an RPG and still gave an expansive non linear way to perform combat.

Plus, TESO isn't going to have SC either, so it's not like it will have any better magic than Skyrim.

Yes, physical combat is in my opinion [&@%!]. You have two opitons, do a power attack or swing normally. That's all. Sure, you can switch your weapon but they all work the same. And it's been like that for a very long time. Many other games have skills or attacks that spice it up, let's take a bow for example. In TES you can fire it. That's all you can do with it. No matter where on your foe you hit he/she will take a certain amount of damage. The bow therefore gets very repetitive and most other games solve this by adding certain skills like shooting an arrow that pierces armor and cripples the foe for a few seconds. This could either have a cooldown or if you wanna avoid that, drain a certain amount of stamina. For a hammer, one attack could be slamming your fire-hammer hard into the ground, unleashing a heatwave, staggering everyone near you. Just these small things to spice up the gameplay and make it more varied would make so much for the game imo. An example directly from TESO is the Dragonknight skill to pull an enemy to you. This both adds a tactical but also fun element to your battle.

And yes, I believe that magic will be better than Skyrim in TESO, because it will use hotbar skills, who will work more like the ones I just mentioned, rather than the classic TES "20 Fire Damage on Target".

Guess you never help up, down, left, or right in the past two games? With the rest of what you said, I wonder if you even played Skyrim and know what the perks can do. Zoom, slow time, paralyze, decapitate, disarm or AOE. Yeah, ore than just mashing a button with a single effect.

Oh, yes. I forgot, I can do the exact same thing by holding the mouse button down while going right or left. How fun isn't that.

Any reply on the rest of my post?

Moved to TES General.

The rest of your post was filled with wrong information.

From my above edit:

With the rest of what you said, I wonder if you even played Skyrim and know what the perks can do. Zoom, slow time, paralyze, decapitate, disarm or AOE. Yeah, more than just mashing a button with a single effect.

Zoom! YES! What a great way to make my battles more fun!

And yes, I have played Skyrim, and yes I know about these perks but they don't do what I want. They are based out of chance or luck, which is not fun. They're also there, not to make the gameplay more varied, but to make the gameplay easier.
"Arrows stagger all but the largest opponents 50% of the time" is just a bad perk. All it does is make the game easier, not more varied.
Same goes for this "Attacks with maces ignore 75% of armor." That's not fun, that doesn't make it more challenging, or spice up the gameplay, all it does is make the game easier and even more dumbed down that what it was from the beginning.

Sorry, I can't take anything else you say serious after not knowing about Skyrim's combat system.

Explain more about the "combat system" you claim Skyrim to have. It seems like the depth of it is enormous by the way you say it.

Also, you're not responding to my posts. You're just answering them with an unrelated statement.

Why would I respond to wrong information and you not knowing what Skyrim's combat entailed? But we should stop, so lets drop it.

Not really, because I really want to know about the depth that Skyrims combat system seems to have. I wanna know about all these skills that you say are there. And you could respond to my opinion on adding skills to spice up the gameplay instead of getting stuck up on me claiming that physical combat is monotone.

Skyrim's combat system was the lowest point of the game, as Lynx said the perks only made the game easier, they didn't vary it in anyway. It was made up of bashing the same buttons over and over and over and over again until something died, whether it be Lydia or a random Ork, and then because of the lack of a difficulty slider making the game rediculously easy it was possible to just beast your way through every dungeon past level 25.

Then PM me and your lessons shall begin.

Why not here? We're still on topic and I'm sure a lot of other people would like to know aswell, becaues I'm sure I'm not the only one who has this opinion.

Talking about the games is fine. Talking about someone else isn't. Keep it on topic and everyone will be happy. Thanks.

This is the last warning, by the way. Devolve into personal attacks again and I lock the thread and dish out some consequences to each of you.

Edit: Didnt see Musicman's post above.

I already started and finished the lesson.

Ive already proven that this:

You have two opitons, do a power attack or swing normally. That's all. Sure, you can switch your weapon but they all work the same. And it's been like that for a very long time. Many other games have skills or attacks that spice it up, let's take a bow for example. In TES you can fire it. That's all you can do with it.

Was flat out wrong. Thus your lesson is complete and now you know about the perks of Skyrim.

But I've already stated that the perks don't add any variety to the combat and all they do is make the game easier. You skipped that post?
EDIT: No, that's not wrong. Those are actually the only type of attacks you can do. They can vary in effect depending on your perk choice but those are actually the only two possible attacks you can do.


Oh, and out of curiousity, do you think it would be a bad idea to implement things like this and why do you think that way?

No, you didnt know anything about the perks, which is obvious from your wrong statement.

What you are talking about in the second paragraph is more perks basically, though even some of that stuff is in the game (Dawnguard Rune Hammer does set an exploding fire rune when you smash the ground with it). A lot of stuff like this you could do with enchanting in previous games. So all they really need to do is expand that back to it's former glory while adding more perks.