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That its really a terrible anology and isnt representive of what happened between Anu and Padhome/Sithis.

Are you actually being serious on this forum or are you the most epic troll of all time?

you are going to hurt yourself if you keep trying to imagine all the religion in the elder scrolls universe being valid

There is a truth between all of these views from the various races, but that doesnt mean everything is true

Do you remember that woman on the shivering isles? Who claimed to have created Sheogorath by planting seeds . . . .

The way you are approaching the Elder Scrolls universe . . . she would be right . . . but she isnt

when you get down to it . . . people can be wrong

Even the gods in the Elder Scrolls universe can be wrong . . . they have been decieved, and lied to . . . time and time again

for all we know, sithis is the ethereal in which mundus hangs . . . and anu and padomay were simply thoughts that erupted into truth

the stars are said sometimes to be the lights of oblivion shining through? Perhaps this means the distant star systems house the worlds the daedric princes call their realms of oblivion?

Did magnus really escape? or did he chose to become the sun to shower nirn with his gifts . . . we dont know

The universe of the Elder Scrolls is one of mystery, that is what sets it apart from most fantasy . . . the fact that there is both mystery . . . and truth

and most of the games stories are dedicated to uncovering some of these truths . . . looking beyond the lies and stories of myth

it gives the player infinitely greater purpose, and a far more intimate understanding of the world

we read the books, we know the mystery . . . but to know the truth . . . we have to experience it

I am always serious, but dont let that fool you I am really a nice guy once you get to know me.

I like how through all the condescending BS you failed to provide anything that even remotely resembled an argument that proved how my statement that your analogy was wrong, was wrong.

how is my analogy wrong?

Padomay may have provoked Anu, but he didnt actually do anything . . .

We have to take responsibility for our own actions, even if others caused them . . .

my example was not literal but philosophical, I wouldn't actually ever hurt my brother

The cause of an action, is the thing responsible for the action.

Sithis is the cause of Anu's reaction.

Anu's reaction was the grey-maybe, Sithis is the cause of the grey-maybe.

Now we have devolved into a purely philosophical debate.

I say beings are not responsible for their own actions? I say they are . . .

anu is the true creative force, because if Padomay stood alone . . . there would be nothing

Perhaps that is what sithis is, the idea of padomay alone . . .

Sithis is the soul of Padhome, and Padhome itself.
Anuiel is the soul of Anu, and Anu itself.
Akatosh is the firstborn of Anu/Anuiel
Lorkhan is the firstborn of Padhome/Sithis
Akatosh is the god of time
Lorkhan is the god of space
Space and time are two halves of the same thing space-time
Lorkhan and Akatosh are two halves of the same thing, everything/existance
Akatosh is Lorkhan
Lorkhan is Akatosh
Sithis is Anuiel
Anuiel is Sithis
Padhome is Anu
Anu is Padhome


Space = Time
Lorkhan = Akatosh
Sithis = Anuiel
Chaos = Order


In short Anu and Sithis are two halves of the same thing, thus it caused its own reaction.

Ralok, we wouldn't be half as annoyed at your mistakes and Misconceptions if you were willing to admit when you were wrong about something. Instead all you do is talk down to us like you know more then we do.

Also, unnecessary ellipsis don't make you sound like a deep thinker.

that crazy little list up there is complete bullcrap . . . there is nothing supporting your assertions . . .

the fact is . . . not everything can be true, Skyrim goes out of its way to show that Alduin is most certainly a separate entity from akatosh . . . and he is still trying to say the same, because some scholar in the universe said so . . .

People make mistakes . . . in this universe, and the elder scrolls universes . . . peoples mistakes and misconceptions dont magically become real in the elder scrolls universe.

space-time being two halves of the same thing . . . he is using science to try and prove that Lorkhan and Akatosh are the same - _ -

the elder scrolls universe has its own laws of science, separate from out own . . . that is another aspect of what makes it so fascinating . .. it has magic, but the magic in this universe' context . . . is part of its science

it isnt fantasy schlock where science and magic exist as completely separate entities.

I am not wrong though . . . and I just like using elipses

Why cant other people admit they are wrong? why do I have to be the one that is wrong?

because you are wrong.

for example stuff like "daedric thralls"

but you are wrong?

this is most curious . . . you claim to be right

but most of your proof can be summarized as

"WATCH THIS

LORKHAN, AND KATOSH, ARE TOTALY THE SAME

SEEEEEE I JUST PROVED IT LISTEN TOOOOOOO MEEEE GAAAAH"

And most of your points come down to "OMG I SAID THERE ARE DAEDRIC THRALLS BUT PROVIDE NO SOURCES"


Also Ive already explained, in great detail, on several threads, how it is viably shown in the games how Akatosh is Lorkhan.

Second to last post on the first page
viewtopic.php?f=30&p=763404#p763404

Space and Time
Chaos and Order
Good and Evil
Akatosh and Lorkhan
Sithis and Anuiel
Anu and Padhome

The only difference between good and evil is where we choose to place the line down the over-concept of "the value of actions".

This is true for all the pairs listed above.

Daedric Thralls are mortals either possessed or cursed by Daedra Princes or Lesser Daedra. It's not accurate to say the Daedra reproduced - only corrupted something the Aedra made.

But those aren't Daedra, or become Daedra, they are still mortals.

And he was indicating that a bunch of "daedra" were originally thralls.

Varieties of Daedra clearly states that "The Dremora refer to themselves as 'The Kyn' ('the People'), contrasting themselves to other Daedra, whom they consider unthinking animals. The term 'kynaz' refers to a member of the Dremora race ('he of the Kyn')."

Dremora are Daedra, as are Scamps, Clannfear and any other natural resident of Oblivion you care to mention.

Look . . . I actualyl want to discuss the lore

you guys seem to be devotign your time to ending all discussions about lore with your insane suppositions

I create new ideas, trying to understand the lore in different ways . . . Iam open to new possibilities substantiated by evidence within the universe

you cant just say "LORKHAN AND AKATOSH ARE THE SAME NOW BECAUSE I SAID SO" that is not a substantiated idea

Your the one making insane suppositions, we have supported fact.

Not really . . .

Actually we do. You just cover your ears and yell "WELL IT'S KIRKBRIDE, AND IF ITS NOT IN-GAME, IT'S WRONG"


Also I did link to a post I made that shows how the games themselves show that Akatosh is most likely Lorkhan, and vice-versa.
viewtopic.php?f=30&p=763404#p763404

You could point to the stuff that made it into games that supports them being the same, like Akatosh's stained glass painting from Oblivion or certain lines from Song of Pelinal, which appears in both Oblivion and Skyrim.

Consider them what you will it still doesn't change the fact that they were both there before other Mer even thought about setting foot in Tamriel.


Again,you guys are forgetting about this individual.

You can't consider them mortals in the same way you can't consider the heros in Sovngard mortals.They transcend to a different state of being altogether.

Hmm better now but it still has errors.As I have previously stated the Khajit have nothing to do with the Ko' Po Tun.

Someone mind telling me how a lifestyle change equals birth?