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We don't refer to you as 'the Beta'. You're not The Fonz.

I was thinking of the 'haven't got a passport' type of smuggling, than the 'send help' kind of smuggling. :wat:


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Well if I don't smuggle him, how's he gonna kidnap me? :roll:

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'send help' kind of smuggling. :wat:
Still send it (She has horrible things planned for me. HORRIBLE THINGS)

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You're the one who put "Cass's Personal Chef/Slave" as your occupation. You have only yourself to blame.

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Cassandra wrote:
Well if I don't smuggle him, how's he gonna kidnap me? :roll:

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Still send it (She has horrible things planned for me. HORRIBLE THINGS)

These are strange and disturbing posts. Take them away.


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Beta, now look at what you've done! They're all gonna think I'm some sort of psycho.

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Personally, I would of cast my vote on some sort of deviant. I mean, you are the one with a personal slave here, not me :roll:

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We already established the fact that you came up with the personal slave bit! I had nothing to do with that! I'm in strong opposition to slavery, you hear me? Slavery ain't good!

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^Listen to Cassandra, Beta. She speaks sense.

(Also, if you want help sending, you need to give a location or coordinates. I ain't psychic.)


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Thank you, Aarah. At least someone can see sense.

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^Sure sure *He says while stuffed inside of a bag for Cass's convenience*

(All I can see is darkness and what looks like a maid's outfit)

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(All I can see is darkness and what looks like a maid's outfit)

Oh, okay, say no more. I know where you are.
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Of course I don't know where you are. Have fun in your fictitious bag. Or from your description, it could be a wardrobe.
Keep looking. You might find Narnia.


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*kicks bag and grumbles* SHudduporyeblowourcoverforthecakehiest. *looks at Cass* That was my stomach. Yes, it talks when I get that hungry.

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My non-sciency friends are not particularly interested in my analyses of the complexities of time travel (aka, Back to the Future and other TT movies).

ALL my friends love Back to the Future. If Power of Love comes on the radio then it typically gets turned up to max volume. Would be an honor to blow my speaker out to that.

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Did you ever find a decent car to buy to fix up when you were looking last year (same for your dog hunt)?

Edit: I'm just thinking...if you are Paxton, you won't get to drive...


Regarding the me not getting to drive....how dare you you meanie.

Regarding the dog and car hunt, no. This is still going on. Dog thing is on the backburner but I'm still actively looking for a car. Kinda long story but short version is I have a biz account and personal account. I'm paranoid as can be about spending the biz money so when I was looking for a car for the biz to restore I had very high standards. I've turned down I think 4 deals in the past year or 2. So now I'm just kind of annoyed with the situation.

So the plan has changed somewhat. I'm going to use my personal money (possibly sell my current truck later) to buy a car, fix up and use as my actual personal vehicle (aka daily driver). This way I wont be so hesitant to buy because most of my personal money goes to junk anyway that doesn't advance me in life. This will advance me in life and actually will appreciate in value.

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You're mom is rad. This is basically the only game I play these days and I'm reallly addicted to it. Around January I deleted it from my PC as well as Steam to get away from it.... Didn't last long. I have addiction triggers for it like if I watch a WW2 documentary or the news mentions a trade deal/sanctions or whatever.


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I shall explain all of Time and Space travel in two words: Timey. Wimey.

Yes. That is my explaination.


Back to the Future was an excellent film and maintained the same quality throughout the trilogy imo. And unlike most trilogies, it is still a trilogy.

*reads that BTTF is getting a reboot* AAARGHHHHH! *Cries and curls into a ball* This was a joke but if they did announce it, another part of my childhood would die inside. TMNT is dead. Transformers is dead. Yu-gi oh, i intend on rewatching via netflix. Power Ranges is said to be bleeugh.

Stop remaking films and stuff I love! *Cries again*

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You do realize that if someone makes a reboot of something, the original still exists, right?

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I know but they usually end up destroying memories of the original by usually being so awful to the point where it is insulting.

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What about Top Gun? So long as the movie is basically the same and the soundtrack is identical then I'm sure it'll be good.


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I know but they usually end up destroying memories of the original by usually being so awful to the point where it is insulting.


I just really, really don't get this line of thinking. At all.

This whole obsession with our 'childhoods' and such has grated on me since it people my age started embracing it. Hell, even I did for a period of time, but then as I got a little older I realized just how dumb that is.

All this mentality does is stifle creative reception by venerating that which is old as irreproachable, un-matchable, and to attempt to approach it in quality is to blaspheme. And that's just really dumb. Nostalgia isn't a free pass for something being good. Just because something is brand new or a re-imagining of something doesn't mean it is automatically doomed to fail.

If something new or a re-work of an old work is bad? Oh well. The original still exists. If it 'destroys the memories of the original' then you might have some insecurity issues about the original work. You lose literally nothing, because the original work is still there to be enjoyed.

If something like that ends up being good? Awesome! We have more stuff to enjoy now.

Case in point for me is the Hobbit movies. Did they get everything right? Heavens no. Can I still pick up the original book and give it a read? Absolutely. All is well in the world, and though I'm a bit disappointed that the Hobbit movies were a little mishandled (which is, of course, just my opinion; they still have some redeeming qualities even), the story as it exists in the passages of Tolkien's words is still around to be enjoyed. Plus, we have that adorable cartoon version too.

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But we all know that the best version of the Hobbit (apart from the book) is this. No doubt about it.

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I disagree that remakes of old things can't harm the original. I do agree that it doesn't destroy anyone's childhood or something like that, the most it can do is make someone angry, and that's out of a misguided sense of ownership that people develop for media they consume.

The problem starts when remakes that are inferior, outright bad, insults to the original work etc etc become more recognized than the original. See for instance, Winnie the Pooh. Pretty much everyone thinks of the Disney version of those characters, the Disney stories. To most people Winnie the Pooh is a bear wearing a red shirt who talks in a very specific voice and so on. That is not what Winnie the Pooh is to me, and it upsets me that I can't share the same experience I had with the book with my little cousins. They will see the animated films, they'll love it, sure, but they will not perceive those characters the way I did. I'm always very careful with the whole "the new generation sucks" shtick because we all know how that goes, but uncontrolled creative "freedom" (IE the ability to buy pretty much any copyright) isn't what creative freedom means to me. If a creator comes along and puts forward a good pitch as to why they would like to remake something, sure, go ahead. But 90% of the time a remake is a corporate attempt to make money out of something. Sometimes I don't care about it, and sometimes I do.

Whether or not this is a bad thing in general or not is up to perspective, I guess, but you can't tell me that the dilution of all creative works is fine because the original still exists. Sometimes the remakes becomes the original.

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^ That happened with Frankenstein which is a real shame. Basically everything is an adaptation of the 1929 Film and not the actual novel. Which sucks, because the story is really good. Even if Shelly's husband did a pass of it to make all the prose purpler.
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Fanfiction is good, actually. So is having things in public domain. Using old media as a jumping off point and making it into something of your own is great, it's actually what all artists do. Everyone who makes anything is heavily inspired by previous works. TES is inspired by D&D. D&D is inspired by Tolkien. Tolkien was inspired by Norse myth. There were big changes in staff between every TES and they all ended up doing something different with the story and setting. Hell, John Carpenter's The Thing is one of my favorite films and it's simultaneously an adaptation and remake of earlier works.

I sometimes feel remakes are bad not because they're too different, but because they're trying to be the original which they never will be and don't bring anything new to the table. Being derivative isn't inherently bad or anything, but if you're a remake/sequel you should probably do something new. Or they just look at the fluffy and superlative aspects of the work that make it "cool" but not the deeper themes and what makes it actually work on a fundamental level. It ends up being all style and no substance. Yes Robocop had a cyborg cop who shoots people, but thematically the film was largely about neoliberalism, urban decay and the growing involvement of corporations in government, not just "wouldn't it be cool if there was a Robocop?"

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That's a big part of my issue with the cRPG revival going on right now with everyone trying to be 'the next Planescape: Torment' or 'the next Baldur's Gate II'. It doesn't spoil the originals for me, they just end up creating sub-par products that try to hard to pander to people who played the originals that they forget to make their product actually good.

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I mean, yeah, that's a pretty good point. Legacy is important. Still, I think that if a work's legacy is strong enough, then it can still shine through a remake or rework that may have fallen flat. People still play Planescape: Torment, a game that was considered a financial flop when it released, because of its cult status as a mastery of video game writing and just writing in general. The same goes for your older Disney flicks, which I still see little kids lining up to see. Blu-Ray remasters help a lot with that. My newest little cousin is a 4 year old girl and she is absolutely nuts for Snow White, a movie that came out in 1937; almost a hundred years prior to her birth!

I know that evidence is anecdotal, but it's enough for me.

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I thought Pillars was good not great, I've heard Tides is really bad (I kinda want to play it anyway, maybe I will like it and if I don't try to find out why it doesn't work and compare it to Planescape.) Torment wasn't just "oh, isn't Sigil weird? Look how weird everything is" it used that setting to tell a really resonant story about regret and explore RPG tropes. The Unbroken Circle of Zerthimon tells a good 8-part parable, reflects onto Dak'kon as a character & your relationship with him, has interesting philosophical morals (there's the obvious surface level one and the deeper real one) and ultimately asks "Do the lessons you take away from religious texts have value if the text themselves aren't true?" Dak'kon isn't just the grumpy sword guy with odd mannerisms in his speech.

Having a tonne of descriptive prose wasn't what made the Torment good, having good prose made it good. You don't need to give us 3 paragraphs of text just because you can, things can be overwritten *cough* Kojima *cough*.

I haven't played Wasteland 2 yet and I don't know when I will. But I'm genuinely worried it'll just go for the aesthetics and combat of Fallout and none of the stuff that made me love Fallout 1 & 2. Cause I've already played that game, it's called Fallout: Tactics, I didn't like it. Still, I'm sure I'll play it eventually, I'll find out then.

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