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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 9:14 am 
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i used the balmora house mod. it's modest, well placed and works well. i used mannequins for different armour and weapon types. books on the bookshelf. installed a furniture mod and got a few small chests. put keys in one, misc notes in another. organised spells, potions, alchemy ingredients, filled soul gems, misc magic items, misc weapson all in seperate containers. basically my house had hundreds of items but i knew exactly where each one was and could fetch anything immediately. by using containers it didn't get cluttered or slow down the fps. set mark inside it and rarely marked another location. this had the advantage that my character could carry many times more than he was able to, recall back to the house, dump stuff on the floor and sell it in several easy trips to the retailers without having to buff strength too heavily

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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i used the balmora house mod. it's modest, well placed and works well. i used mannequins for different armour and weapon types. books on the bookshelf. installed a furniture mod and got a few small chests. put keys in one, misc notes in another. organised spells, potions, alchemy ingredients, filled soul gems, misc magic items, misc weapson all in seperate containers. basically my house had hundreds of items but i knew exactly where each one was and could fetch anything immediately. by using containers it didn't get cluttered or slow down the fps. set mark inside it and rarely marked another location. this had the advantage that my character could carry many times more than he was able to, recall back to the house, dump stuff on the floor and sell it in several easy trips to the retailers without having to buff strength too heavily


What if your character is mod-free or you're on console? I suggest going into a random house in Caldera, slaying the owner, and throwing your crap on the floor. Putting it on tables works too.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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i used the balmora house mod...

What if your character is mod-free or you're on console? I suggest going into a random house in Caldera, slaying the owner, and throwing your crap on the floor. Putting it on tables works too.

there's a house in balmora that has a perminant body on the floor. it's a Hlaalu counsellor that got murdered or something. since the body can't be removed it works as a perminent container with no size limit. the problem i found with other containers is that putting an item in and then taking it out can make it become stolen even though it's yours.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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I'm always just vaguely amazed by the 'just kill somebody' problem solving. I play Morrowind cuz I want to be the hero that *SAVES* the world dammit!!!

It's not like there aren't enough bandits out there attacking me just cuz I said 'Hi' - {G}.

I suppose I should ask just on general principles, Are the stronghold chests safe? Since I'm using the house Telvanni stronghold now. Oh, and is there any easier way to get the overflow bags than dropping 1025 gp on the floor?

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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I'm not sure, but perhaps you can use a place that already has a lot of items, such as a library, and abuse that fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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I'm always just vaguely amazed by the 'just kill somebody' problem solving. I play Morrowind cuz I want to be the hero that *SAVES* the world &@%!!!!


I am amazed as well. As I said earlier there is no way of knowing who you are going to need later in the game (unless you have played several times before or look it up) and killing a random person usually means that the poster comes back here crying because they cant finish a quest line. The game won't tell you that something has gone wrong (except for some NPCs in the main quest - but not all).


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I suppose I should ask just on general principles, Are the stronghold chests safe? Since I'm using the house Telvanni stronghold now. Oh, and is there any easier way to get the overflow bags than dropping 1025 gp on the floor?


The chests in the strongholds are safe - certainly in the main part of the stronghold as they are faction owned and you are a member of that faction. Tel Uvirith doesn't have many chests. :) Just be careful with containers in the NPC houses around it as there are one or two that are owned by them.

You are obviously on pc so the bad news is that it doesn't seem that the loot bag spawns on it, only on XBox. Whichever you are playing on you need to drop individual items to get it, anything that stacks will count as one.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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I'm always just vaguely amazed by the 'just kill somebody' problem solving. I play Morrowind cuz I want to be the hero that *SAVES* the world &@%!!!!


I am amazed as well. As I said earlier there is no way of knowing who you are going to need later in the game (unless you have played several times before or look it up) and killing a random person usually means that the poster comes back here crying because they cant finish a quest line. The game won't tell you that something has gone wrong (except for some NPCs in the main quest - but not all).


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I suppose I should ask just on general principles, Are the stronghold chests safe? Since I'm using the house Telvanni stronghold now. Oh, and is there any easier way to get the overflow bags than dropping 1025 gp on the floor?


The chests in the strongholds are safe - certainly in the main part of the stronghold as they are faction owned and you are a member of that faction. Tel Uvirith doesn't have many chests. :) Just be careful with containers in the NPC houses around it as there are one or two that are owned by them.

You are obviously on pc so the bad news is that it doesn't seem that the loot bag spawns on it, only on XBox. Whichever you are playing on you need to drop individual items to get it, anything that stacks will count as one.


Urgh - that doth sucketh - I was rather looking forward to having someplace to store random BS. One of the thing I *do* like about Oblivion is that storage space is so much easier with real bookshelves and whatnot. But I certainly don't have 1024+ non-stacking items to drop.

Ah Well - thanks for the info - Jonnan.

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There are no resetting containers in Morrowind. If you put an item in a container it will be still there when you come take it out.

However, there are many containers that are owned by NPCs, and if you put items in them, when you remover those items they will change their ownership to that of the containers owner thus they will be considered stolen items. Get arrested and they will be confiscated.
Sometimes if the house owner is killed the containers become safe to use but it is by no means the norm. It is best to ask about a specific house/containers you wish to use and the answer can be given as to their safety.

Galbedir's desk is not owned so you can add/remove items from it without problems, BUT the soul gems on it are owned by her. This gives some problems. You can never go to her for enchanting with that type of soul gem in your inventory (no matter where you got it from) as she will know, attack you and the rest of the guild will join in. If you get arrested again you will loose all of that type of soul gems you have in your inventory.

You can own houses, you can get a stronghold from a House quest, and you can get three places on Solstheim whilst doing quests there.


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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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i've never had an item disappear on me (unless they fell through an object), but i never stored anything outside of my house. since no one else has any business there and none of the containers are owned by anyone else the items shouldn't ever disappear. on xbox the same should be true of containers that aren't owned, or even just the ground itself (since it isn't owned either).

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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Resurrecting this yet again to mention that both the Starting Out and Death of a Taxman pages on the UESP wiki mention that the containers in Foryn Gilnith's shack are safe to use after he is killed, but posts in this thread say otherwise. Which information is correct?

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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Resurrecting this yet again to mention that both the Starting Out and Death of a Taxman pages on the UESP wiki mention that the containers in Foryn Gilnith's shack are safe to use after he is killed, but posts in this thread say otherwise. Which information is correct?

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I am if I posted prior(didn't check). :D They are not safe, they will still change the ownership after he is dead.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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HunterZ wrote:
Resurrecting this yet again to mention that both the Starting Out and Death of a Taxman pages on the UESP wiki mention that the containers in Foryn Gilnith's shack are safe to use after he is killed, but posts in this thread say otherwise. Which information is correct?

Thanks.

I am if I posted prior(didn't check). :D They are not safe, they will still change the ownership after he is dead.

Yes, I believe it was you that posted earlier in the thread saying that they are indeed not safe. I guess someone should fix those articles.


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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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HunterZ wrote:
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Resurrecting this yet again to mention that both the Starting Out and Death of a Taxman pages on the UESP wiki mention that the containers in Foryn Gilnith's shack are safe to use after he is killed, but posts in this thread say otherwise. Which information is correct?

Thanks.

I am if I posted prior(didn't check). :D They are not safe, they will still change the ownership after he is dead.

Yes, I believe it was you that posted earlier in the thread saying that they are indeed not safe. I guess someone should fix those articles.



Wow this really stinks. I just started playing Morrowind for the first time and used Foryn Gilniths shack to store all my stuff based on the wiki. This is the first time the wiki has let me down. Is there any way to remove the ownership from those containers or the objects I put in them? I used the 'tfh' to double check and sure enough the containers are owned.

EDIT - Ok so I guess I thought it was more like Oblivion. Am I correct that the owner doesn't matter at all because I'm never going to need to sell my stuff to a dead guy? Is that the only thing it effects?


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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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Been thinking of installing the Balmora Balconyhouse mod and not using/touching any of the stuff inside other than the containers and bed to minimize "cheating", but it'd be nice to have some non-"cheating" ideas. Are dungeon containers safe after they've been looted?


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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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Are dungeon containers safe after they've been looted?

Yes (in general). The containers are safe before they have been looted as well. :)

Many dungeons/bandit lairs have respawning containers - it depends on the level the PC is when they are first opened, but they are not owned. As soon as you remove or add an item to that container it stops respawning, so they are safe to use.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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The abandoned shack near gnarr mok is safe, not sure if anyone mentioned this. I always use that house, put my books and helms on the desk and keep everything else in containers. I command vivic and bring him there then recall awaybto break the bond. When I come back he's always floating Indian style on the dock :) that's one of my favorite things to do in morrowind.

And also, the glitch people were talking about with stealing glabadier's (sp?) stuff then not being able to use him is true (In my game at least) after raiding his desk I can never get him to enchant or barter without attacking, even if nothing of his is in my inventory. It's ok though, there are better enchanters out there.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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The abandoned shack near gnarr mok is safe, not sure if anyone mentioned this. I always use that house, put my books and helms on the desk and keep everything else in containers. I command vivic and bring him there then recall awaybto break the bond. When I come back he's always floating Indian style on the dock :) that's one of my favorite things to do in morrowind.

And also, the glitch people were talking about with stealing glabadier's (sp?) stuff then not being able to use him is true (In my game at least) after raiding his desk I can never get him to enchant or barter without attacking, even if nothing of his is in my inventory. It's ok though, there are better enchanters out there.


Your Vivec idea there is amazing, I find the abandon shack to be one of the most tranquil little homes you can have without mods or the whole ownership dilemma. To have that bald guy meditating on the dock would just look awesome... actually could you screenshot that and send me the picture I am really curious.

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I play on xbox but I'll try and take s picture and upload it. I'll PM it to you when I get it up

Edit: this is a hobby of mine. Taking NPCs and moving them around. I have vivec at my house, I brought divyth fyr to dresles house of eartly delights and I did the bound throwing star trick to get umbra sword and his helm, curiass, and pauldrons (leaving him shirtless) and brought him the end of the world in Dagon fel. I like to make up my own back stories as to why they're there and all. Keeps things interesting

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http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/yagelazy/morrowind/185604_638283148788_49704367_34883604_6558490_n.jpg


now on the wiki pages it says that you CANNOT i repeat CANNOT permenantly command vivec. this is wrong. you absolutly can. i play on xbox and got him here by casting a permenant command creature spell on him in the temple. first try worked, he followed me out the temple to the foreign quarter dock (outside the canton). from there we caught a boat to hla oad (yes he followed me on the boat and continued to follow after we got off) and immediatly took a boat to gnarr mok (same thing, kept following) when we got to the abandoned shack i simply cast mark, divined intervention to fort buckmoth (severing the tie between me and vivec) then recalled right back. since vivic doesnt have a move script on him, he will stay wherever you position him and alternate between standing and floating.

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 Post subject: Re: Safe containers in Morrowind?
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That's a neat trick you got there, nice find. :P Thought Vivec would be a bit to powerful to control in all honesty.

Gotta ask you keep on topic though from now on though. Thanks.

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Yes I'm sorry for getting off topic. I'll post this in new thread, I think people would be interested in it.

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