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And he buggers off... Again.

That means you are leader. Or I am.

Maybe we can be both leaders.

I still need to wait for your post on Almalexia to continue.

And I voted for the Month business to making a new original House in any case.

IN ANY CASE, Question time


What do you think of the Morag Tong?

Are you a supporter of the Tribunal Temple? Did you think they survived the Second Arnesian War?

Should Redoran militarily take back Caldera or attempt diplomacy with the damned imperial-pigs?

Members of Redoran, Hear the call of one of your two Council-men!

Why did you chose to serve in the honorable House of Redoran and Veloth?

Do you support and serve in the pious Tribunal Temple?

Shall we take Caldera by force, or by diplomacy?

Whom is your favorite Councilor? Do you feel hatred for Ald'Ruhn's fall or Pride that Redoran fell with honor in a battle against the Four Corners instead of submitting to them?

Do you wish to put Hlaalu and Telvanni in their place with their illegal strongholds? Or shall we merely allow the Imperial Administration take care of them?

Do you believe in the Morag Tong's honor and use? Or are you against them?

Illegal in the sense of Telvanni that they either A; Did not get a Construction Contract (As we know Telvanni do this..alot) and for Hlaalu; it's mostly Redoran thought-process.

It was boosting the strength of House Hlaalu, which meant they had better defenses among Balmora and Hla Ode.

And seeing House Hlaalu's stronghold; it is relatively nicer and more 'fertile' than House Redoran or even House Telvanni's.

Though the Redoran quest-giver says the House Hlaalu made it an illegal stronghold, or merely one to boost the strength of House Hlaalu.

I am a Redoran-Indoril at heart Though we don't know what House Hlaalu did in any other version (Telvanni/Redroan) version. We only know in the House-Hlaalu play through we get the construction contract.

But we do know it is a deed involved (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Reth ... _Land_Deed), so my Redoran suspicions are on a high.

That and the only other deed that exists in the game is one you find in the Thieves Guild quest was..one taken by 'other methods' from the original owner.

So, probably, House Telvanni did wish to basically kill the player. (As really, nothing is restricted in the House.)

As Send in a Redoran Patrol? Telvanni will lose in close combat.

Hlaalu sends in mercenaries? They have enough money to weaken the Telvanni in defense and buy the quantity and quality of mercs to kill even the best wizard.

That and the Morag Tong are the best assassins guild in, perhaps, all of Tamriel to exist this long and be so precise and accurate.

And by 'Fall' I mean that Ald'ruhn the city is most likely gone. The Redorans of that city fell with honor and dignity; facing the House of the Four Corners with vigilance and vengeance. Against Mehrunes Dagoth; destroyer of Old Mournhold!

Though it is nice, even as an Hlaalu, you believe house Redoran should re-possess the Mine and City of Caldera.

I would help, though I know little of modding.

I could help in the scripting and story-line of how it happened, tactical battles and mostly related to the Redoran side of the conflict; if this helps.

And, maybe, some of the changes in dialogue when Redoran does take over Caldera (to try and make other mods like PAX Redoran still remain playable); but little changes in structure if not a few buildings being burning, and the Castle being stormed.

It should be a Hlaalu-Redoran collective effort.

I'd try to help with Skyrim; if I can get a computer powerful enough for it or a graphics card for my vista.

But for a Great House mod in Skyrim it should be implemented in Six/Five Ways.

One; Redoran references and faction availability in Velothis Mountains. With certain quests that actually extend Morrowind influence into Skyrim, though Redoran will have little involvement in the war at all. (Most likely it'll be post-Nordic Civil war) Even having some popular revolutions, and Redoran forcefully entering Nordic lands.

Two; Hlaalu traders and missions involving the businesses in the Nine Holds. Trading, merchant talk, economic damage, and so forth.

Three; House Indoril and the Temple. Although we can make the Temple available for Redoran as well, House Indoril will send some pilgrims to convert or spread news of the Tribunal. This allows for some religious missions of spreading news of the Tribunal or protecting pilgrims against some Nordic aggressors. Eventually even having a Tribunal Temple in Skyrim.

Four; Dres references and some merchant trades as well. Though there will be some slaver-raiding missions of Dres to spice things up and differate them from House Hlaalu.

Five: Telvanni missions would involve setting up small bases and basically setting up hubs for wizards whom have rejected the current mage-factions of Skyrim. Ultimately trying to set up influence in eastern Skyrim, then moving to the west then Redoran pushes them off.

Six may be the actual government of Morrowind quests or Tribunal quests. Your pick.

Also, I think we should change it up a bit from my idea.

Instead of House Redoran, Indoril, Hlaalu and Dres; they should be just two Houses.

House Velothi and House Olms; as I'm sure the Second Arnesian War forced them to join forces. (And the four houses are like minded respectively)

Thus increasing the quests for the factions, while making it a bit easier on the modding team.

Credit goes to Chaos for the House Olms name, while I'll take credit for House Velothi (As it is an idea I had for the Comp Great House; but it'd likely happen in lore.).

This would also mean Tribunal Temple-Indoril-Redoran quests would be one and Hlaalu-Dres would be one quest line.

Telvanni would remain independent.

Though Solstheim may be a bit tricky, but whose to say inventing lore would be wrong?

As I ended up derailing the Hlaalu thread with a discussion on it, I'll put my thoughts on Pax Redoran here. There's spoilers, so don't read unless you've played it or aren't planning on playing it.

I think if there's any problem I really have to pick out with the mod, it's that it feels out of place at times. One of the big pitfalls I've noticed in every LGNPC mod is that sometimes they make dialogue mistakes that can't be unseen. Typos, overuse of punctuation that just doesn't seem right in vanilla, descriptions of events prior to the game as if they happened exactly in the game engine ('I used my ring of 40pts Fire Damage, but he was a Dunmer with 75% fire resistance so my attack failed...'). They're all unfortunate mistakes that shouldn't really cancel out the good work the team does, but they're just so noticeable. Pax Redoran suffers from this a lot.

The most frustrating moment in the entire mod for me at the time was when I was sent to stop a member of House Hlaalu that had infiltrated the house and stolen some orders. I found him trying to leave Ald'ruhn and convinced him to peacefully give up the stolen orders and pay the fine. When I returned to Neminda I was greeted by a ridiculously out of place barrage of caps lock and exclamation marks, and was expelled from House Redoran for my actions. That wouldn't happen in the vanilla game, and it shouldn't happen in any mods.

So, ignoring those pitfalls, I'll talk about the good points. Ash statues! Even though I never actually did the vanilla Redoran questline, I understand that they only get a very brief mention in it, barely worth noticing. The nature and connections to House Dagoth they have is made very clear in the mod, in a convincing and lore-friendly manner. I'm pretty sure it has an effect on the main quest as well, as while you're passing the fourth and fifth trials a quest appears to ban ash statues. Soul sickness is also a nasty little bugger that you can completely forget about if you aren't careful.

Also, the characters. I'm not quite sure how much of the new dialogue and questing is part of Pax Redoran and how much is part of LGNPC Ald'ruhn, but eithe. way, with the two together there's a heck of a lot. Every single Redoran councillor and retainer has been fleshed out with a new and fitting personality, and even the insignificant people are given a nice amount of depth, something which I'd say Bethesda have never managed to do. A lot of the quests are, inevitably, generic fetch this item from a dungeon or cross the West Gash and talk to this bloke quests, but the filler can be excused by the many new quests added that are generally fun and creative.

The main problem (which you have addressed) is the choices.

For example, that peaceful option? It isn't very 'Redoran' in this case to let the enemy leave when he has stolen orders but impersonated a Redoran - whom had his face disfigured and so forth.

Personally? I killed him, and had little remorse. When you kill him you have the choice of either allowing his Brother to kill Suran's Mayor or calming him down by asking "would your Brother want you to do this? Would Aythn want you to do this?" and he calms down after this. The killer comes out later, when you are Arch-Master (There is a belt you have to find, some quests, protecting Venim's family and then finally the killer is inter-related with a trial against a Nord for the supposed murder).

There are some quests I don't like such as the whole Morag Tong-Redoran issue. It can be understandable, but I always changed my outfit and attire; that and House Redoran expelling you right when you bring in the kill is a bit silly.

I can say the faction depth (such as Temple, Redoran and so forth) is really great. Marking how far you are, the Seven Virutes and all that.

But there are some forced positions that can limit yourself as a Redoran, personally a better Redoran way would put the Hlaalu on trial against the Temple and Redoran. He is then shortly killed after when he is found guilty.

THAT would be more Redoran like.

But did you also try the LGNPC Indarys Manor, Foreign Quarters, And Redoran Canton? They all make a wonderful experience.

"Require"? No. You can add them to enhance the experience.

It is. They have their own forum

You should play it now

You can theoretically play Pax Redoran sans the other LGNPC mods, but honestly, there's no point. If you're going to use one of those mods, you should be using all of them.