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Though to respond to the bringing it to the Council - it is ruled by the interests of each House. Which conflict, intervene and so on and so forth.

While not as disasterous as to make the 'Triple Alliance' and 'Triple Entente' type of situation, still Hlaalu, Telvanni, Dres, and even Redoran/Indoril will ally with those who may help achieve their goals. (Except Indoril and Redoran are only joining with Imperials when it for the Greater Good or protects citizens)

This is why Dres allied with Hlaalu during the war. Prospects of power.

Now putting this into the Council, it'd depend on not only the Council but also the Empire. (Who has little reason to give it up)

Say you do a Georgi Dimitrov (manage by all odds to win your case) - you still must deal with the Empire which opposes such an action. Why? Because they gain superprofits, due to owning of firms and not paying the workers. (The miners are slaves)

Thus they gain MORE than in normal capitalistic or feudalistic situations. Giving this up is only via military means or when they can't hold it. Diplomatically, we can get Morrowind on our side. It'd merely depend if the Empire would be able to exert their still-living power over Morrowind.

We control our traditions and Houses, but this only lasts until their interests are being disowned or rejected.

So...we kill them? Sounds good to me. I'll take out Fort Darius so they don't flank us from the north.

Diplomacy, and if that doesn't work (or if the people of Morrowind support our decision but the Empire doesn't) then we can invade and cite ancient lands or the corruption of the city. (As reason to 'relinquish' Hlaalu control over it.)

That first part'll go over well. The Imperials only really start listening when they know that they have a fight in front of them. Hopefully our reputation precedes us, otherwise a few legionnaire heads will have to be sent back to White-Gold.

A FEW legionnaire heads? I say slaughter them. Round them up and cut them down. They'll only listen to diplomacy if 1) They are going to die otherwise, and 2) If the current Emperor is a coward. Even then, they'll want a good deal for themselves. Which they won't. Not with me around anyway.

But should it be so, I will allow any diplomacy to go forth...just don't expect me to like it

Anyway, I would like to put forward a question; if we, as a whole, were to begin friendly relations with another House, who would be your preferred choice? Say, that a new Emperor was crowned, and was hell-bent on taking over Morrowind into total Imperial control.

Personally, I'd say that I would push for better relations between Redoran and Indoril...maybe it's my hatred of the Imperials that make me say that, but it's also the fact that they are loyal to the Temple, and are very distasteful of the Imperials. In a war, you'd want a group of people who hate the enemy, would you not?

The only other House I would even consider would probably be House Dres, but because of their lack of support and man-power, it seems pointless...if they grew, however, I would be more inclined to ally with them.

There's also the problem of which Great House would be struck first. My Morrowind geography isn't great, admittedly, but the first to come under attack would probably be...Hlaalu? Now, the problem there is that all the council members of Hlaalu are corrupt and rather under-the-table types. If they requested aid, would we go? I damn well hope not. All they care about is money, and they'll throw us off at the earliest opportunity with a 'modest' amount of gold in our pockets...no sense of honour at all in that House, anywhere.

I suppose if you DO take away the underhanded-ness of Hlaalu, it would be a simple matter of trust. Since they are the biggest Houses, would there be much trust? Maybe. They wouldn't have many enemies who could worry them, aside from the Empire.

To be fair, I forgot about that little matter between Indoril and Redoran...I think that should anything happen against the Empire, Indoril would want a piece of the action. However, I think they would quite possibly try to lead the charge, which I don't think is that great an idea. I mean, the only reason they'll see themselves in charge is because of their temple authority, and I, for one, would most likely try and break out of that little 'problem'. I'm not saying that Indoril is greedy in the slightest, but they have the one of the most (if not THE most) religious backgrounds, and I'm sure they'll use that to its greatest effect if the fighting does start.

I can see that both of us have left out Telvanni, Duruza. They're strong, but too isolationist. I very doubt they would consider any sort of treaty (or any diplomatic meeting, for that matter). They would, in my opinion, only care if their towers were under attack by Imperial war machines. Until then, they wouldn't give a damn.

That's a point...has anyone here had any true contact with any member of Telvanni?

Indoril. We have the most in common.

I suppose, but then history has taught us not to trust Indoril very much again. The power of the temple is literally controlled by Indoril (well, maybe not THAT bad), and we, of Redoran, tend to listen to the word of the Temple quite a lot. I wouldn't trust the Temple with my life in the best of circumstances, but especially not with the Indoril involved.

may i joint this great house, i like the principles house Redoran stands for and they were the first house i joined in first morrowind playthru, if u would let me join i would be most grateful

thank you Duruza, but i do have some questions, do i start out as a hireling or a kinsman, or how does that work

You choose what rank you desire.

Also Indoril is the only House to actually make any sort of diplomacy with that'll eventually aid us. Hlaalu is too tied up with both the Imperial-bourgeois transformation as well as being internally corrupted by it. Indoril can be used in the sense of popular-Front where we ally with the religious elements of Morrowind and use it to fight for Dunmer Self-Determination.

As Telvanni alienates itself from other Houses, Dres is merely a backstabber and switches between Graecophiles in terms of Slavocracy to Imperial-lovers with feudalism and developing capitalism.

then i would like to be a kinsman, if that's ok

Let us still draw back to traditional alliances and contradictions within the Houses.

Ultimately let's say that (ideally) somehow the corruption of House Hlaalu was stricken with the removal of the Cammona Tong and Ovras Dren from the Hlaalu hierarchy..This does not mean the Hlaalu branch in the Mainland will not be corrupt or will have their greed in place of a Greater-Diplomacy.

Whilst Indoril has the contradiction of dogmatic ideals and fantacism, they still have progressive elements within their House be it of a care for the people, self-determination of Morrowind or defending the interests of Morrowind over an Empire. (This is also evident in TR)

This - and traditionally House Redoran and Indoril have been in an okay relationship. However these certain elements within House Hlaalu that would aid the Red Party would either not be in positions or power or isolated near the actual Redoran border I suspect.

TR will provide more on this, so we will wait. With Sacred East's release, we can already see Indoril (too) is plagued with factional warfare.

i think hlaalu is beyond reaching, people like bero maybe in house hlaalu but they are too few and far between and don't hold enough power, we ought strengthen our hold in blacklight and begin expanding our influence.

The Problem comes to 'Can we Reform the system?' or 'can we truly have our independence?'

We've seen in real life how Reformism has failed again and again, leading to repression and ultimately - Empires aren't friendly. And for lack of a better term - we ARE under the Roman Empire which sought to conquer us twice. giving us our 'rights' (or what we deemed as 'rights) temporarily due to the fact we gave them a powerful weapon to make claim over the rest of the world.

The fact is - the 'Empire' culture is 'Imperial' to a chauvinistic extreme. We've seen these in the Imperial settlers and how they glorify the "Pax Romana" that has been brought due to the destruction of independence and self-determination in the rest of the world.

So it all depends what we mean by 'reformed'. House Dres, Indoril and Hlaalu all need to be 're-educated' rather to where they maintain their positions but are also capable of self-criticism, criticism as well as the ability to not fall for feudalistic/capitalist greed. (More so for Hlaalu and Dres in this case - as they specifically betrayed Dunmer sovereignty and brought us into an un-necessary conflict.)



It is, however, dogmatic to accept the rule of the Empire and not attempt a separation and prepare for it. The pragmatism of the situation is to unite the Houses of what we can and attempt to gain the opportunity to get the ability to secede from the Empire.

Dogmatic tendencies must be combated on all fronts.



So an Great House that relies on Imperial backing, as been on the supporting of Imperial-sided Capitalism, and ultimately having bourgeois-class in their ranks?

Yeah, I'd more than likely say there is a big-time corruption within House Hlaalu as there is corruption in Redoran, Indoril, Dres and obviously Telvanni. Now with Indoril it'd be corruption within the Temple hierarchy and the Indoril nobles attempting to best each other.

Redoran would be confronting traditionalism vs the progressive forces.

I'd rather wait for TR to make the quests on the matter.

Hi! I'd like to join the forum version of House Redoran . Here's my answers to your quiz:

1. Why did you choose/like Great House Redoran? My character, Moncar Belvani, had had a tough life in Cyrodiil and therefore held a heavily romanticised view of Morrowind. He loved the customs his parents had taught him, and devoted himself to them to give himself an identity that separated him from the Imperials who despised him. When he arrived in Morrowind, he found House Redoran was a natural fit, as it embodied everything he had idolised since childhood. Protecting the customs, faith and identity of Dunmer against foreign influence was something that appealed to him.

2. Who is your favourite (in-game) councilor? Garisa Llethri, he has an awesome manor!

3. If you could pick any office in the Redoran family, what would it be? Archmaster (I spent a lot of time working my way to the top, and I wish to stay there haha)

4. What was your favourite quest for the House? Too many! Anything that evolves attacking other houses, the imperials or those pesky Daedra Worshippers. Hail the Almsivi!

5. Do you approve of Archmaster Venmin? In general, yes. Obviously, as a proud Redoran, I disapprove of his more 'Hlaalu' traits (his affairs and underhanded political tactics). But, I think a lot of his actions were necessary for the House to progress and remain a great power.

6. Is there anything special you do when playing a Redoran Character (roleplaying-wise)? I try not to buy from, or interact with, non-Dunmer merchants. I also avoid Telvanni, Hlaalu and Imperial towns like the plague (only visiting them when it's absolutely necessary!). I tend to stick to Ald-ruhn, Khuul, Maar Gan and Vivec.

7. What is your favourite Redoran related quote? I'm going to be boring and say: "Duty, Gravity, and Piety".

Round two:

What do you think of the Morag Tong? I dislike them, and have refused to join. A Redoran should fight his enemy toe-to-toe and not in a cowardly fashion haha.

Are you a supporter of the Tribunal Temple? Did you think they survived the Second Arnesian War? My character is a huge supporter of the Tribunal Temple, he's very close-minded and traditional. He hates the Imperial cult and the Daedra worshippers, he avoids the former at all costs and often massacres the latter group.

I don't know enough about the Argonian invasion to say.

Should Redoran militarily take back Caldera or attempt diplomacy with the damned imperial-pigs? Use military force! I would happily lead Redoran troops against the decadent, perfumed Imperial intruders .

Do you support and serve in the pious Tribunal Temple? I'm the Patriarch , it makes a lot of sense for me to serve in the Temple.

Do you wish to put Hlaalu and Telvanni in their place with their illegal strongholds? Or shall we merely allow the Imperial Administration take care of them?

Hlaalu and Telvanni are Dunmer so we need to show restraint towards them (no mercy is to be shown to the Imperials or the slave races though!), we should only resort to military force when necessary. Our policy should be to politically outmanoeuvre them.

I'd also like to join, if its not too late.

So here is my take of the quiz:

1. Why did you choose/like Great House Redoran?: Well my first Nerevarine character was for the most part, a warrior, so it seemed only natural. and I like there city and culture.

2. Who is your favourite (in-game) councilor? Garisa Llethri: No idea. Last time I interacted with any of them was forever ago, and the names of characters in Morrowind have trouble sticking with me.

4. What was your favourite quest for the House?: I never advanced far enough to get into the more interesting ones.

5. I hate the Morog Tong

6. Should Redoran militarily take back Caldera or attempt diplomacy with the damned imperial-pigs: I despise warfare, so I say diplomacy, there's nothing unhonorable about that.
And the rest of them really don't apply to me, I know its pretty pathetic. I hope I doesn't effect anything. But House Redoran is the only house I have any relation or attachment to.