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If it was written by a giant, it'd be written in swirls on the side of a rock. Probably made with blue paint, or red blood.

Perhaps that's why they're always fighting with dragons. Or maybe it's just because the dragons can't kill them as quickly as other wildlife.

As far as speech goes I know they are capable of it. Upon nearing one of the orc strongholds a scripted encounter with a giant occurs in which the giant is fighting the orcs. During the fight I heard the giant yell something. I couldn't understand it but it seamed to have meaning and be directed at the orcs. I'm not sure if this was scripted to happen during the fight or if the giants just occasionally yell at their enemies. Also, after the giant dies an orc says something about how the giants could sense that their stronghold was week and were trying to invade it. This suggests the giants are also not as passive as they are made out to be. I cant remember which stronghold it was though.

It's the one in the south next to Riften.

The quest A Night To Remember

Yeah, that just reinforces the idea that Giants are another fully sentient race, which would make sense considering their civilized behavior -

- They herd livestock and apparently forage for nuts and fruits, like hunter/gatherer societies which are just beginning to settle into farming. This is arguably a type of rudimentary civilization.

- They are literate. They have a written tongue of their own, can verbally communicate, and you can often find books written in Tamrielic in their loot, including the stone tables inside their caves, implying the Giants can and do read.

- They carry human currency, and trade with humans as evidences in quests mentioned above. They also accept livestock and gold as tribute, apparently.

- They have an appearance with traits found in both Nord and Aldmer facial and body features. Pale skin and elf ears of the Aldmer or Falmer and the stockier, wider facial features of the Nords. It's mentioned in sources by MK that "giants are our true ancestors." It's possible that these particular giants are a cousin species to elves and men, having descended from the earlier giants, a possible demigod step between the Divines and mortal races. It's similar to species propagation in our own world. It's possible for a parent species to evolve into several child races over time while still existing on its own without changing much. It's much more common with micro organisms like bacteria but does happen with mammals and other higher animals. In the early days of humanity on Earth, the homo sapiens may have lived alongside several cousin species and even at least one dwindling remnant population of a parent species, now long dead. Perhaps the giants are the Tamrielic equivalent, a dwindling relic of the step between the Ehlnofey and the smaller mortal races. They've been gradually crowded out or killed off in most quarters of the continent and now exist only in the North, in Skyrim and isolated places in High Rock and northern Hammerfell. That's my educated guess.

I have speculated that he is in fact a Snow Demon from Kamal, given that he looks somewhat like an Oni and a yeti crossed two very asian looking things in a land very close to a surprisingly asian inspired land

now in regards to giants, I seem to recall some things written about giants before . . .but I cant recall what, definitly something other than the "giants made dwemer look small"

dangit it is in the back of my mind

I feel like it was important

anyways

When I was younger I heard alot about how in the real world myths of giants and cyclopses were appearently based on the ancient discovery of mammoth fossils . . . make of that what you will

I stumbled across something rather interesting the other day, On the road to 'Riften' on the east side of the river there is a gaint camp, distinguishable by a wrecked horse and cart on the path to the camp.There is a sign-post with a note stuck in with a dagger. (ok now to the juicy stuff)

On the note is written something along the lines of(don't remember it exactly) "this giant is crazy and has been noted to be rather violent, trading of any type should not be attempted with him to do so is at your own peril."


Iv' already picked up the note but don't remember where i put it, if i find it i'll post a screenie.

apparently giants had seperate races of one another....

I think there is one important thing that we need to examine here, and that is if Giants have white souls or black souls. I haven't been able to bring myself to test this, but it would tell us something about where Giants fall in the order of things.

White, but I think that is more a gameplay thing, or possibly an error

I agree with 'Ralock' on that, makes more sense to be white from a gameplay perspective, though i suspect IRESL you would need a black soulgem to capture their souls.

I would imagine the white soul is a gameplay thing. The Falmer have white souls too IIRC and they're Elves. The Giants are as much "human" as the playable races, just different.

well, I found evidence that Giants arent descended from elves or humans....



http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Gu ... /Valenwood

what does the word salmagundi even mean

That fact that giants where in Tamriel when the elves arived dosent proove there not desended or related. There where tribes of men living in tamriel befor the nedes arived i believe, or atleast something like that, and they where still considerd men. You have to understand what the ehlphoney were and how they play into this. If you understand that than you will know that in the TES world related species could have devolped thousands of miles and many continents away from eachother, never even of met or desended from one another, and still be related.

it doesnt say "nedes," it says "men" and "mer."


and I know what the elfonhey were, theyre a conveniant plot device

Im not sure what your saying there, all I said is that races of men devolped seperate from the nedes yet thier still men. Look at the redguards, they lived in Yokuda far away from Atmora, They probably devolped thier seperatly with no relation ever to the nedes and yet thier still considerd "men". Just cuz giants devolped away from men and mer dosent mean thier not related.

ezactly, they sort of landed on Nirn, so two future to be races could have landed far apart and still be related, giants could of landded in Tamriel and Men in Atmora, and they could still be relatives

The Hist are trees.... but it seems like a cool idea that they could of been another survivor of the worlds of creation like the hist