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That reminds me of this really awesome story I read one, a fanfiction. Basically they wanted to kill a Daedric Prince, but couldn't, not even the other Princes. In the end they were forced to use Azura's Star to bind her soul. Good story.

Was that one of mine? Perhaps that was implied by what you said, but figures of speech rarely come across properly on the Intarweb.

It was one of yours, if I'm not mistaken. It was certainly my implication anyway. The irony would be in that I was wrong.

That's the case with all Daedra if I remember correctly. None of them can die for good, their spirits are simply recycled to live again. I read it in an in-game book somewhere, but I can't remember exactly which one. For definative proof, look at the Shivering Isles, the Saints and Seducers rematerialize during the Helpless Army, and Staada, head of the Golden Saints was killed once during Morrowind. Molag Bal's quest in TES III also supports this since he wants you to send his daughter and her lover back to him by destroying their physical forms. Since Bal doesn't control the land of the dead, I assumed that any Daedra that is slain simply returns to the plane of Oblivion from which they came.

Point taken with Jyggalag (I haven't been to the Isles in months. But I should go.
I hear they're pretty this time of year). But at the end of the Main Quest, one of
the NPCs said that Dagon couldn't be destroyed, only banished, because he was
on Munuds and not on his Plane. So, I guess by deductive reasoning, a Daedra
Prince can be destroyed, only on their own Plane of Oblivion, unless there's reason
to believe otherwise.

I'd think they'd be even more impossible to kill on their own plane. I guess one could give the argument that on Mundus it's not really them, just sort of an avatar they possess from afar, and that in their own realm they actually exist. However.. Jygalag does indeed survive, but then again one could argue he was merely locked into the cycle and again, it wasn't really him. Still though, I'm pretty sure even if you do kill them they are reborn. All the lesser Deadra are, so why not the Princes?

Without the power of the Prince to reincarnate the lesser Daedra, will they still
be able to become reborn? Assuming that the answer to this question is no, then
by stripping the Prince of his power, lesser Daedra cannot be reborn. If the Prince
then has no power to reincarnate his followers, he must not have enough power
to restore himself, either. Of course this is all speculation, and now we're drifting
away from the point of the thread.

I always got the impression that the Daedra had no control over their resurrection from their "banishment " it just happened when you went back to the waters of Oblivion, whatever/whoever/wherever they are.

The fact that Deadra cannot be truly killed goes back as far as Anu and Padomay I think. It's something to with that being Anuic (the Aedra though they are Padomaic aswell) means Stasis, that you cannot be changed. Or that you are always here or that you're not here. One or the other. But that Daedra are purely Padomaic, Padomaic meaning the "quintessential form of change" according to the wiki, which means you are always here or there (Oblivion).
Perhaps this is why Deadra cannot be killed only banished?





And I am relating this to the main topic by referring to Anu and Padomay It was Padomay's fault why the towers were built in the first place If I'm interpreting the Anuad right. Padomay shattered the 12 worlds so Anu rebuilt them into one (possibly referring to the Dragon Break?), Nirn, presumably using the towers to keep the "puzzle" from being broken up again?
Mehrunes Dagon is Padomaic also. And Padomay wanted to destroy Creation so maybe he's trying to do the same?

Then again the Anuad is a children's story so perhaps it was just a story of explaining things that cannot truly be explained?

not sure if this is related or not, but also, what of the revelations in Mankar Camoran's Paradise? how do they tie into all this? seems related since Dagon basically authored and gave him the Mysterium Xarxes, which actually turns out to be a gate to his own realm, where his followers are likewise reincarnated. is this how the whole process of the planes of oblivion evolved/devolved? was Mankar Camoran on his way to becoming a daedric prince?

I think it's far more likely that Camoran is in on this plot to destroy all the Stones - he engineered a series of events that led to the Amulet of Kings being destroyed, after all.

On the subject of that, this is the big plot-hole in Oblivion - destroying the Amulet of Kings should not have stopped the Oblivion crisis, it should have exacerbated it. Dagon's avatar would have still been destroyed, but the further weakening of the Lunar Lattice would have just made more Oblivion gates open. This is why I think it was a Dragon Break, not the Amulet of Kings, that ended the Oblivion crisis.

redit - Another thing I've thought of - If TES5 is going to be set in Skyrim, which seems to be quite likely, I don't think the Stones will form its plotline, because the Towers are scattered all around Tamriel and any effort to replace them would require a global coalition - Snow-Throat is in Skyrim but then there's Crystal Tower in Alinor, Numidium which is kicking around somewhere, Falinesti Tower in Valenwood and the Khajiit are probably involved in some way too.

maybe it's something involving Martin Septim's sacrifice mixing his own blood with the amulet's power to call on another avatar to defeat dagon, that is still holding things together?

maybe the amulet wasn't truly destroyed, just merely transformed, but still lost to the hands of mortals? just theorizing and throwing out possibilities that occur to me.

I was under the impression that it wasn't the stone but the Aedra who strengthened the barrier. The way I saw it was that the amulet and the Emperors together created the barrier through an ancient agreement, and Martin's sacrifice was basically the replacement and thus the barrier was reestablished.

I might subscribe to this theory. The statue of the avatar of Akatosh could still
hold the Amulet of Kings within its structure, only in a different form (i.e. it's now
the entire statue, or perhaps where the heart would be).

The thing is, it's not just the Amulet of Kings, it's White Gold Tower too - the Amulet of Kings enables White Gold Tower to shape Creation. But the Ayleids knew what they were doing when they built it, and it's not just the tower itself but the whole of the main bit of the Imperial City that holds the power, and since the statue of Akatosh is contained in its perimeter I suppose the Amulet of Kings and White Gold Tower could be still influencing Mundus.

Wait who built White Gold Tower? Was it the Ayleids or Akatosh?
According to the wiki twas the Aldmer?
Also the Lore talk page on WGT is quite interesting r.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore_talk:White_Gold_Tower